YES!! Health care bill we be scaled back!! (drug, regular, suspect)
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Single payer?? And who exactly pays for the single payer? I wouldn't mind having a single payer as long as it is paid by those who enroll in that program... your neighbor shouldn't be paying your premiums if they never asked to pay for it... I don't like mandatory tax "just because"...
Screw that, go with the single-payer thing and keep the private insurance companies and private hospitals around for those who wish to pay out of pocket and utilize private hospitals.
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Originally Posted by evilnewbie
Single payer?? And who exactly pays for the single payer? I wouldn't mind having a single payer as long as it is paid by those who enroll in that program... your neighbor shouldn't be paying your premiums if they never asked to pay for it... I don't like mandatory tax "just because"...
I can get down with that.
If the Repubs don't want single payer, they won't have to pay for it nor will they be allowed to utilize any services that those in the single-payer program pay for.
Single payer?? And who exactly pays for the single payer? I wouldn't mind having a single payer as long as it is paid by those who enroll in that program... your neighbor shouldn't be paying your premiums if they never asked to pay for it... I don't like mandatory tax "just because"...
I hear ya, if you have a better idea I would love to hear it.. Just please make it something that does not subsidize the insurance companies. The only problem with choice in that situation is most of the people enrolled in the single payer system are not exactly going to have deep pockets, therefore the system would certainly run a deficit.
Personally I would like to see some sort of tax credit system for people who do not utilize a "single payer" system, that way they are not ripped off for living a healthy lifestyle or taking a burden off the system by going private.
I hear ya, if you have a better idea I would love to hear it.. Just please make it something that does not subsidize the insurance companies. The only problem with choice in that situation is most of the people enrolled in the single payer system are not exactly going to have deep pockets, therefore the system would certainly run a deficit.
Personally I would like to see some sort of tax credit system for people who do not utilize a "single payer" system, that way they are not ripped off for living a healthy lifestyle or taking a burden off the system by going private.
Are you saying those on the single-payer system will live unhealthy lifestyles?
I am not THE healthiest person on the block but I exercise regularly and eat a lot of fruits and veggies.
Are you saying those on the single-payer system will live unhealthy lifestyles?
I am not THE healthiest person on the block but I exercise regularly and eat a lot of fruits and veggies.
That is not what I meant.. What I meant was, someone who is in perfect health is not going to be visiting the doctor/hospital on a regular basis, and therefore should not pay as much into the system as someone who visits weekly.
That is not what I meant.. What I meant was, someone who is in perfect health is not going to be visiting the doctor/hospital on a regular basis, and therefore should not pay as much into the system as someone who visits weekly.
Hmmmm....I'm all for hypochondriacs paying more but not for say a person with cancer or diabetes.
I know some some single-payer systems don't deal with co-pays and I'd be in favor of co-pays except in cases of financial hardship.
If the Repubs don't want single payer, they won't have to pay for it nor will they be allowed to utilize any services that those in the single-payer program pay for.
WHERE U.S. HEALTH CARE RANKS NUMBER ONE
Critics complain that the United States spends too much money and receives too little for its health care system. However, the United States comes in at No. 1 of 191 countries for "responsiveness to the needs and choices of the individual patient" on the ranking system of the U.N.'s World Health Organization (WHO) comparative ranking system. This could be why a majority of Americans oppose Congress's health care reform bills, says Dr. Mark B. Constantian, a plastic and reconstructive surgeon in New Hampshire.
Why does the United States rate so high?
Data assembled by Dr. Ronald Wenger and published recently in the Bulletin of the American College of Surgeons indicates that cardiac deaths in the United States have fallen by two-thirds over the past 50 years.
Polio has been virtually eradicated.
Childhood leukemia has a high cure rate.
Eight of the top 10 medical advances in the past 20 years were developed or had roots in the United States.
Other advantages:
The Nobel Prizes in medicine and physiology have been awarded to more Americans than to researchers in all other countries combined.
Eight of the 10 top-selling drugs in the world were developed by U.S. companies.
The United States has some of the highest breast, colon and prostate cancer survival rates in the world.
And our country ranks first or second in the world in kidney transplants, liver transplants, heart transplants, total knee replacements, coronary artery bypass and percutaneous coronary interventions.
There's still more:
We have the shortest waiting time for nonemergency surgery in the world; England has one of the longest.
In Canada, a country of 35 million citizens, 1 million patients now wait for surgery and another million wait to see specialists.
Yes, the United States spends more money for health care, but the majority goes to pay for a long list of advantages that American citizens now expect: the easiest access, the shortest waiting times, the widest choice of physicians and hospitals, and constant availability of health care to elderly Americans. What we need now is insurance and liability reform -- not health care reform, says Dr. Constantian.
Source: Mark B. Constantian, "Where U.S. Health Care Ranks Number One," Wall Street Journal, January 8, 2010.
Hmmmm....I'm all for hypochondriacs paying more but not for say a person with cancer or diabetes.
I know some some single-payer systems don't deal with co-pays and I'd be in favor of co-pays except in cases of financial hardship.
No, no one should pay more. That is not really fair, especially if they have a pre-existing condition or a persistent medical problem. Only those who do not use the system for each one year period would receive a tax credit. With the later, they can still use private insurance/hospitals but since they are not using a government social program, they receive the benefit of the doubt.
I should clarify that everyone would be required to enroll in single payer, but those who wish to go private can do so, but still pay for single payer (with the tax credit for non-use of course). That way if they do lose their job or insurance policy, they are not left out in the cold and have contributed to the system in some way already..
No, no one should pay more. That is not really fair, especially if they have a pre-existing condition or a persistent medical problem. Only those who do not use the system for each one year period would receive a tax credit. With the later, they can still use private insurance/hospitals but since they are not using a government social program, they receive the benefit of the doubt.
I should clarify that everyone would be required to enroll in single payer, but those who wish to go private can do so, but still pay for single payer (with the tax credit for non-use of course). That way if they do lose their job or insurance policy, they are not left out in the cold and have contributed to the system in some way already..
Unfortunately, we all know politics and the "fuzzy" math politicians often use... get a credit for "non-use"... please, they just won't tell you the real cost and everybody will have to pay and the credit will be perhaps 5% of what the real credit should of been... Americans aren't idiots...
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