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Old 01-22-2010, 12:33 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Linky no worky. too many http's.
My apologies.... hopefully this one works:
Shame on Richard Lindzen, MIT’s uber-hypocritical anti-scientific scientist « Climate Progress
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:36 PM
 
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Fixed.
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:37 PM
 
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His MIT peers don't agree with him:
http://http://climateprogress.org/2009/03/09/richard-lindzen-heartland-denier/ (http://http//climateprogress.org/2009/03/09/richard-lindzen-heartland-denier/ - broken link)
How many of their models on climate have been proven correct?

Also, they do not contest the information, but simply point to "Deep Thought" claiming they have the answer to the meaning of life.

I like models, they are interesting tools to playing with ideas, but this belief that they can prove the hypothesis of AGW is rather amateur.
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:41 PM
 
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How many of their models on climate have been proven correct?

Also, they do not contest the information, but simply point to "Deep Thought" claiming they have the answer to the meaning of life.

I like models, they are interesting tools to playing with ideas, but this belief that they can prove the hypothesis of AGW is rather amateur.
All I'm saying is that if you're going to point to an MIT faculty member that refutes global warming you have to recognize that there are other MIT faculty members that disagree with him.
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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All I'm saying is that if you're going to point to an MIT faculty member that refutes global warming you have to recognize that there are other MIT faculty members that disagree with him.
the problem isnt global warming...its the falacy of 'man-made' global warming

look no one is saying the climate doesnt change....no-one is saying was humans dont waste and abuse the enviroment....but so say its getting warmer because of humans is just a nice little fib

look at these people blaming c02..carbone dioxide...if they were saying carbon monoxide then maybe they might have a leg to stand on..co2 is a NECCESSARY part of our air...plants need it...in fact plants would do much better if co2 was near 700ppm..currently around 340ppm
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:56 PM
 
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I'm to the point where I think all of them are full of it. I was once told by a friend who is an actual meteorologist (not a broadcast meteorologist, a real one) that even with all our tech and available information, anyone who can predict weather or climate more than 4 hours ahead is way ahead of the pack. In light of recent events, It seems both sides of the debate are going completely on faith. Like so many other things, the issues got lost in the politics.
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:51 PM
 
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All I'm saying is that if you're going to point to an MIT faculty member that refutes global warming you have to recognize that there are other MIT faculty members that disagree with him.
Certainly, this is the case with any discipline in science. There are varying opinions on the hypothesis, yet all of them are "opinions" and mean little when it concerns the end result.

Thankfully, we have the scientific method which controls what is evident and what is merely a guess.

From what I read of both though, one is pointing out problems with the data and methods used to come to a conclusion and the other is basing is position on a computer output that has to account for an extreme amount of variables they have no real measurement of.
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:55 PM
 
Location: Houston
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where the heck do you live ? my tomatoes frooze last summer and i'm buried in 3 feet of snow with 2 storms about to hit. go worship your god al gore
A lot of stupid comments on here,but you're the lucky #1. How often does it need to be told?
A single day or week DOES NOT count. Global warming does not mean you got 90 degrees 365 days. You all need to look up what global warming actually is. Then you can come back.
So much stupidity, it's amazing and sad.
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Old 01-22-2010, 09:03 PM
 
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A lot of stupid comments on here,but you're the lucky #1. How often does it need to be told?
A single day or week DOES NOT count. Global warming does not mean you got 90 degrees 365 days. You all need to look up what global warming actually is. Then you can come back.
So much stupidity, it's amazing and sad.
Yet 12 trees in Yamal = AGW?

Yet a warming trend that matches similar to that of the begining of the century = AGW?

While I laugh at the claims of cold weather meaning AGW is bunk, I also laugh at how all of the AGW supporters used short spells of weather to claim AGW.

You can hold the position that "weather" != "Climate", but you also have to look back at the past claims and research that uses "weather" as evidence of AGW and to be honest, there are a lot of claims of such in the past "peerreviwedliterature" (tm).

While some are oblivious as you might think, many are just throwing the stupid conclusions that were developed by AGW proponents back into their faces. You can't don the hat of superiority when it fits you and then feign stupid when it doesn't. Those who have been following the science simply look at those who do as people too stupid to tie their own shoes.
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Old 01-22-2010, 09:04 PM
 
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A lot of stupid comments on here,but you're the lucky #1. How often does it need to be told?
A single day or week DOES NOT count. Global warming does not mean you got 90 degrees 365 days. You all need to look up what global warming actually is. Then you can come back.
So much stupidity, it's amazing and sad.
And what's frightening is this is the one who claimed he/she has been studying climate for 50 years, yet, doesn't appear to have a rudimentary understanding of what climate is exactly...
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