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Anyone know what the "increase" in taxes will be? I seen reports but none of them give a definite number... anyone? Besides that, I expect a mass exodus of the "wealthy" crowd, I am curious as to how many talent they can retain when elsewhere would probably be better for them... of course they will have to hire some underperformer and overpay them but you get what you pay for...
Bad move. Oregon will soon have the 'Wisconsin problem.'
Wisconsin is taxing people and companies so much that they're moving out of state, along with the jobs they would have provided for Wisconsin residents. Consequently, Wisconsin is in serious budget deficit trouble.
"Wisconsin had one of the five worst migration patterns in the United States from 2000 to 2006. Higher income individuals left Wisconsin. Individuals on the lowest rung of the economic ladder migrated to Wisconsin. The Princeton report concludes simply, "Wisconsin is more attractive to low income individuals than high wage earners." That migration impacts the financial, the social and the human capital of Wisconsin." WISCONSIN STATE JOURNAL
"...Wisconsin one of 10 states most in “fiscal peril.” The news made headlines around the state. Of the states listed, however, only California, Illinois and Wisconsin reported GAAP deficits last year. Pew said California “was in a league of its own.” Yet it is worth noting that Wisconsin’s deficit per capita was four times larger than California’s." Todd A. Berry: The $2.7 billion state deficit no one told you about
Anyone know what the "increase" in taxes will be? I seen reports but none of them give a definite number... anyone? Besides that, I expect a mass exodus of the "wealthy" crowd, I am curious as to how many talent they can retain when elsewhere would probably be better for them... of course they will have to hire some underperformer and overpay them but you get what you pay for...
GregW has alluded to making the massive tax increases federal so the wealthy cannot avoid it, and taxing onerously if they choose to leave the country. I can't share his hopelessness (ironic considering his candidates' message of "hope", dontchathink?) with regards to making it in America nowadays, since many small business are still flourishing.
No long term thinking there..people want to keep their jobs, especially the ones in public service. Seems more like a knee jerk reaction ...so much easier to tax to meet your budget than cut.
You mean so much easier to react than think.
This is common with the idiots who think they know the solutions.
They have no understanding of the issue, but they sure know who to blame. It has to be those rich people who make more money, obvioulsy, that is what is causing the issues. If they could just tax them more, well... heck, it will be rainbows and sunshine!
Oregon was going south long before I left California. In fact, at times they were considered rather "stupid" in their direction. Oregon used to be far more "independent/conservative" in policies before that, but the garbage from central California got wind and all the slime moved up there to "make some changes". These days, I view the state in the same manner as California. It could slide off into the ocean and the world would be better for it.
250K last year, 125K this year, why not 80K next year? I think we can see where this is going..
Wow don't hold these guys to any promises nowlast year wasn't it going to be 250K, things are constantly channging, can't wait to see what they will say about it in the next couple of months. A little decesive they are.
So what you're saying is that taxes should be used, not to raise needed revenue, but to regulate the taxpayer's standard of living. Sounds pretty communist to me.
Yeah i'll sure say it does. That amount of money, depending on where you live, and your bills, is not a lot of money. By any stretch of the imagination. If you have a hefty mortgage, taxes, health insurance, and the list go's on and on, some states, that is not considered a lot of money, depending on what some make, I could see how it WOULD be to some, try living in California, and tell me that it is. You want to live in a very nice neighboorhood, some are going to have there SUV'S they have children, to lug to school, sports events, and if people have earned a right to own 2 suv's that should be no one's buiness, but the people who can afford it, you can't buy an suv don't buy one. People who have worked hard to get to a certain status, should not be penalized by anyone, they have earned the right as an American, that hard work does pay off. Now if they cannot afford those Suvs, that is a different story, many can.
If I am not going to have control of the money I make why the hell am I working so hard? I love giving money to charity and it would be great if the government would let me have the money it spends on failing social programs (social security?) and donate it to people who are actually in need.
And you really think there was no corruption 200+ years ago? How naive cna you be?
A slight increase in taxes does not mean you having no control over your money. Families and individuals making this much money will have PLENTY to control after taxes. If you actually do give money to charity, then good for you, but many others who could easily afford it don't.
The corruption 200 years ago when the U.S. government was a newborn was not nearly at the same level or as widespread as today. There is always going to be bad apples. The founding fathers came here and established this country specifically to get away from the corruption and oppression of England. I am sure they would have never imagined how much of a backwards and disgusting country we have become today.
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What motivation is there for me to work harder if my overtime pays for someone to sit on their a** and eat cheetos?
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So you're saying that having worked hard and sacrificed to prepare myself to have 2 SUVs and a sports car, I should happily give up some part of it so that someone who spent their youth partying with friends, drinking, producing 5 kids, and has now been laid off from their job handing out smiley stickers at WalMart may continue to receive money from the state and make use of public services such as police calls to their trailer on a Saturday night?
These quotes are both examples of ignorance, generalizations, and stereotypes. Not every family that is experiencing financial trouble right now (which will be the majority of America is we continue at the rate we are right now) is fat, lazy, has 10 kids, lives in a trailer park, eats cheetos all day, works at walmart, and spend their youth partying and drinking.
There are plenty of people in the U.S. that are at the poverty level right now and work their asses off at dangerous and back-breaking jobs. Jobs that you and most Americans wouldn't even think of working. Yet those are the only opportunities that those people have. Just because they didn't have rich parents to pay for them to go to college, or aren't heirs to a banking fortune doesn't mean that they are trashy and lazy people. Not everyone has fortunate life circumstances or has had a stroke of luck in their lives.
And the only reason these "fat, lazy, working at walmart" people eat Cheetos is because they can't afford fresh vegetables because...the GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZES CORN AMONGST OTHER THINGS. But oh no, that isn't a "socialist" concept. Only helping people is. Let's just let the rich get even richer because they worked soooo hard (just like David Rockefeller, the Rothchilds, etc who had all of their **** handed to them on a silver platter) and let the poor get even poorer while experiencing untold suffering because they are all lazy welfare collectors trying to score some crack.
Don't you see how backwards this concept is? Maybe if things really do get worse and we do go into a depression, some of you people will finally wake up to the reality of the situation.
Ah, yes. Another liberal kook that has decided exactly how everyone else must live their lives. Ever hear of freedom?
So what if billions on this planet live on very little. This is the US, and we have a certain quality of life.
Because the good ol' excess has come to an end (thanks to corrupt politicians, thank you), it's OK to take money from people that have worked for it?
Hmmmm, you SAY you're not a communist, but you sure sound like one.
Dang straight, your right. Why should my Son have to dish money to the lazy, when he worked hard to get where he is toady, was in School, for 6 years, he has 3 degrees. Worked himself up to a very high position, and you want him to have to give to the lazy, I don't think so. Sure sounding like communisim to me.
So you're saying that having worked hard and sacrificed to prepare myself to have 2 SUVs and a sports car, I should happily give up some part of it so that someone who spent their youth partying with friends, drinking, producing 5 kids, and has now been laid off from their job handing out smiley stickers at WalMart may continue to receive money from the state and make use of public services such as police calls to their trailer on a Saturday night?
Yeah, right! What's next? My house is too big and I should give it to them so they have room to raise their five kids as compared to my one? Or should I just be taxed on the excess square footage of that house?
Right on those who have earned the right to own these things, deserve the right, to keep those very things. Starts like this, where would it end.
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last year wasn't it going to be 250K, things are constantly channging,
can't wait to see what they will say about it in the next couple of months.
A little decesive they are.
