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I'm a registered Independent and I felt incredibly hopeful on Obama's inauguration day. I'm not a person who spends a lot of time on these threads because I find them totally useless in having a rational dialogue (that goes for people on both sides of the argument).
I would, however, like to ask those who blame the current Republicans for everything that doesn't get passed in Congress:
Do you understand how the legislative process works? Even with the much heralded Scott Brown victory, Democrats are in control of the legislative process. And by "control" I mean they don't have to ask Republicans for anything...the Republicans can object and vote "no" on every single bill and the Democrats could still pass every single thing they want. Scott Brown's victory only allows the Senate Republicans to filibuster, if they chose. Even if Scott Brown comes on board and votes No on every single issue, the Republicans only have 41 votes...the Senate only needs 51 to pass anything they want.
If you want to yell about not passing health care, not passing cap and trade, not passing whatever issue seems to be your cause du jour, perhaps you should be looking at the Democratic party. They can vote for anything they want and the Republicans can only vote "no". Even if the Republicans vote cohesively, the Democrats in the House and Senate can pass anything they want and they don't even have to have every single person in their party on board. 8 Democratic senators could either not vote or vote "no" and the Democrats could still pass whatever they want in the Senate. The House numbers are even more in favor of the Democrats.
If you have a problem with what's happening in Congress, it seems totally illogical to anyone who knows simple math that you would blame the Republicans. If they're the "party of no"...it doesn't make a single bit of difference...they can vote no and every single thing the Democrats want passed can still be passed.
I wouldn't say it's the Democrats fault entirely. It's the leadership and the 'top' Democrat, the President. They have said they won't ram anything through like the Republicans did for the last 8 years in the assumption that they can shame the Republicans to do honest and forthright legislating for the American people.
In other words, they want and will wait out the Republican's in order to work with them.
I think that's a failure of an attitude on the Republican's know this, and will wait them out, just like Al-Queda will wait us out in Afghanistan and Pakistan. There is no honest brokering, and no reason for the Republican's to do so, as they can stop anything from happening and label the Dem's a failure at the same time.
I'm a registered Independent and I felt incredibly hopeful on Obama's inauguration day. I'm not a person who spends a lot of time on these threads because I find them totally useless in having a rational dialogue (that goes for people on both sides of the argument).
I would, however, like to ask those who blame the current Republicans for everything that doesn't get passed in Congress:
Do you understand how the legislative process works? Even with the much heralded Scott Brown victory, Democrats are in control of the legislative process. And by "control" I mean they don't have to ask Republicans for anything...the Republicans can object and vote "no" on every single bill and the Democrats could still pass every single thing they want. Scott Brown's victory only allows the Senate Republicans to filibuster, if they chose. Even if Scott Brown comes on board and votes No on every single issue, the Republicans only have 41 votes...the Senate only needs 51 to pass anything they want.
If you want to yell about not passing health care, not passing cap and trade, not passing whatever issue seems to be your cause du jour, perhaps you should be looking at the Democratic party. They can vote for anything they want and the Republicans can only vote "no". Even if the Republicans vote cohesively, the Democrats in the House and Senate can pass anything they want and they don't even have to have every single person in their party on board. 8 Democratic senators could either not vote or vote "no" and the Democrats could still pass whatever they want in the Senate. The House numbers are even more in favor of the Democrats.
If you have a problem with what's happening in Congress, it seems totally illogical to anyone who knows simple math that you would blame the Republicans. If they're the "party of no"...it doesn't make a single bit of difference...they can vote no and every single thing the Democrats want passed can still be passed.
The democrats do not wish to lead. it is easier to blame someone else rather than lead. For them to cry about being in a full majority and for one year a super majority that the republicans stopped them is just wrong. How with a super majority could have the republicans stopped them? we also need to remind ourselves that they have controlled congress since the 2006 elections. Every spending bill , every ear mark every bit of pork came through them.
the democrats whining about the republicans just say no is the same as a rapist whining that the victim just said no
Can we call these people what they really are IDIOTS. Neither party is working for those that voted them in. Their a bunch of 7 year olds that are trying to one up the other.
Can we call these people what they really are IDIOTS. Neither party is working for those that voted them in. Their a bunch of 7 year olds that are trying to one up the other.
you should not insult 7 years olds by comparing them to congress
Agree. The Dem's want and long for bi-partisanship. The Repub's couldn't give a damn. The same way it's been for the last 10 years. The Dem's don't want to seem partisan and ram things through. The Repub's don't care and want to make them do it.
The Dem's are unwilling to just realize that, and hope to recapture the Adams/Jeffersonian culture to work together to "form a more perfect union" that take ideas from both sides to make concessions that will move the Republic forward and better.
Can we call these people what they really are IDIOTS. Neither party is working for those that voted them in. Their a bunch of 7 year olds that are trying to one up the other.
Totally agree. I think we can be bipartisan in calling most of them idiots who are out for their own personal gain and have thrown their constituents under the bus.
Totally agree. I think we can be bipartisan in calling most of them idiots who are out for their own personal gain and have thrown their constituents under the bus.
I'm frustrated with both parties and more than anything i'm frustrated with those of us that are nit picking and jumping on the partisan bandwagon meanwhile these IDIOTS are collecting a paycheck, living lovely thanks to the 30% they take out of my check each payperiod and I haven't seen ONE thing they done in 2009 to warrant keeping their jobs.
Agree. The Dem's want and long for bi-partisanship. The Repub's couldn't give a damn. The same way it's been for the last 10 years. The Dem's don't want to seem partisan and ram things through. The Repub's don't care and want to make them do it.
The Dem's are unwilling to just realize that, and hope to recapture the Adams/Jeffersonian culture to work together to "form a more perfect union" that take ideas from both sides to make concessions that will move the Republic forward and better.
Until then, there will be more gridlock.
The Dem's want bipartisanship? Why then did they lock republicans out of any serious debate concerning HCR? The problems the dems are facing in congress is that they can't get their own party to sign onto their own bills, then they turn around and blame the republicans for not "cooperating".
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