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Old 02-12-2010, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Understanding why the programs exist, it is helpful to know the objectives rather than simply blast the idea.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/31987.pdf
The top objective is War on Terror...that nefarious, never can be verified, never can be won war.
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Old 02-12-2010, 09:36 PM
 
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The top objective is War on Terror...that nefarious, never can be verified, never can be won war.

Worse, that we fund those who attack us.


Saudi Arabia. 15 0f 19 hijackers were Saudi nationals. The only planes allowed to fly after 9/11 were two airliners full of Saudi nationals, at a time when American citizens couldn't fly.

Afghanistan. The guys we are killing now are the sons and cousins of their uncles and fathers we used to support.

Israel. They haven't directly killed Americans for a while (that we know of) but do impact American foreign policy, such as providing them cluster bombs.

And now our role in arming Pakistan with nukes that may literally blow up in our face. Not to mention F16 jet fighters.

And we want to trust this litany of clowns with our foreign and military policy? After 9 years we can lay claim to such military victories as... Fallujah? Abu Graib? Our American soldiers died for this?

Unfortunately, yes.
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Old 02-12-2010, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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India is now an Arab or Muslim country? Wow, how things change.

Not surprised the OP wouldn't know any better. I'd like to ask you, OP, why you believe or expect the rest of us to believe that we are always or even usually right in the U.N. Do you have supporting arguments for that view? Or are we just right because we're America? I can't wait for your response.

As for foreign aid, I am no fan of it. But all of it together amounts to less than 1% of our budget. Our own military spending is what's driving us into the poorhouse. After the Berlin Wall fell, we didn't have any serious enemies left in the world. But like a crack addict, we just wouldn't give up the habit. So we dug up some new enemies.
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Old 02-13-2010, 01:35 AM
 
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Well The US cannot afford to ignore or turn its back on the oil rich middle east, as it the oil that runs the industries of the world. So it is in US interests that the midde east is secure enough so the oil can flow right through the world. It would be the US nightmare and western world nightmare if all the oil rich nations in the middle east became like Iran in its anti western stance.

Anway in nations such as Egypt, and Pakistan there are opposition parties are Islamist ones and if they get into power it would cause the US and its allies much more headache. Anyway the present government in Egypt according to the US is like a sunday school, but if the Islamist main oppostion party "Muslim brotherhood" came into power then its foreign policy would likely turn into what is in Iran and US cant afford that. Esp since Egypt is vital as its in middle east and has largest Arab population and has the Suiz canal.

India is not muslim and only 10% of the population is muslim.
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Old 02-13-2010, 02:01 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I doubt the purpose of aids is to buy votes. At least I hope it isn't.
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Old 02-13-2010, 03:16 AM
 
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Worse, that we fund those who attack us.


Saudi Arabia. 15 0f 19 hijackers were Saudi nationals. The only planes allowed to fly after 9/11 were two airliners full of Saudi nationals, at a time when American citizens couldn't fly.

This is mostly true. Saudi Arabia is both ally and enemy. It provides the US with a counter-balance to Iran (and formerly Iraq), it buys billions of dollars worth of American weapons, and it sells the US a lot of oil (which despite everyone's whining, it needs badly and will for quite some time).

It is an enemy because it knowingly and deliberately adds fuel to the Islamist fire. The Saudi government pays to build mosques all around the world (including the US). These mosques are staffed by Saudi trained Imams who trash the West and push Wahabbism. This is reinforced by providing Saudi government versions of the Koran, which have amendments that include explicit support for suicide bombings and rants about Jews.

How could this not be intentional?

Afghanistan. The guys we are killing now are the sons and cousins of their uncles and fathers we used to support.

Not quite true. The majority of those that received American aid are now American allies on the ground. The most notable was Ahmed Shah Massoud who was an American ally up until his death. Oh, and he was killed by an Al-Qaeda suicide bomber on September 9th 2001.

Now, you might mention terrorist groups such as Al-Qaeda, which were spawned from the Afghan war. However, it should be noted that most of them were trained and funded by the ISI (the Pakistani intelligence service) and by the Saudi government and not by the CIA.

Israel. They haven't directly killed Americans for a while (that we know of) but do impact American foreign policy, such as providing them cluster bombs.

They also share most of America's enemies in the West. They are also useful in seeing how well American weapons perform under battlefield conditions (better to get an idea before you have to use them). They also usually vote in America's favor in the UN.

Not to say they are perfect or 100% loyal. The Israeli mentality and official government doctrine believes that any non-Jew could one day become Israel's (or even all Jews') enemy. So they do follow their own interests, even when they conflict with other nations. And guess what? So does every other country. There have been at least one notable American spy for Israel and the US was rightly angry with Israel over the matter, but to be fair, I am pretty certain the US has spies in Israel as well.

And now our role in arming Pakistan with nukes that may literally blow up in our face. Not to mention F16 jet fighters.

Que? What role did America play in providing Pakistan with nuclear weapons? Considering that America generally would prefer if most of European allies did not have nuclear weapons, I do find it hard to believe that it would have actively assisted Pakistan in acquiring nuclear weapons.

And what is wrong with F-16s? They are an excellent warplane and they have the advantage of not being top secret technology. Which means the US can provide its allies with a perfectly useful aircraft while keeping its secrets secure.


And we want to trust this litany of clowns with our foreign and military policy? After 9 years we can lay claim to such military victories as... Fallujah? Abu Graib? Our American soldiers died for this?

Unfortunately, yes.

The world is an extremely complex and complicated place. You need to understand that someone can be an ally in one area (either a physical or political) and be a rival or even enemy in another. I do agree that in many ways America is "sleeping with the enemy" in the Middle East, but the area is an important strategic region and it is too important to ignore. How do deal with the people of Middle East without fighting them or working with them?
My text is in bold.
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Old 02-13-2010, 03:24 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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While I am against it, I do understand that we are buying influence in regions that are resource rich and willing to buy our weapons. Our foreign aid is more a bargaining chip that gives us access to these markets. Look at China's investments in the world over the last decade. How many soccer stadiums do they need to build in Africa and South America? What purpose does that serve them?
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Old 02-13-2010, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Sorry, we'd like to help you but we're broke.

No foriegn aid while we have a deficit
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Old 02-13-2010, 08:41 AM
 
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As usual, not one person asks themselves, WHY do they vote against us. Seems like some of our foreign policies are making us isolationist, after all we don't need these people, we have plenty of cheap oil and Americans are more than willing to pay 5 bucks a gallon for gas, or just take it from those bloody savages. WHY doesn't matter, were the USA were #1 ~ repeat ad nausum

Waves cheap Chinese made US flag...

As to those countries that are mentioned receiving US foreign aid, again no one asks WHY but I'll tell you why anyway in one word.... Israel.

Are you upset by US foreign aid to Israel, I doubt it. Are you aware that the United States is illegally giving Israel foreign aid?

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The Symington Amendment is legislation introduced by Stuart Symington, a Democratic senator from Missouri, authored to strengthen the US position on nuclear non-proliferation.

The Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 was amended by the Symington Amendment (Section 669 of the FAA) in 1976. It banned U.S. economic, and military assistance, and export credits to countries that deliver or receive, acquire or transfer nuclear enrichment technology when they do not comply with IAEA regulations and inspections. This provision, as amended, is now contained in Section 101 of the Arms Export Control Act (AECA).
10 bucks says all those whining about US foreign aid don't give a rats behind that we illegally give aid to Israel though, they wear white hats after all.
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Old 02-13-2010, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Not only do we provide foreign aid to our enemies, but we also provide a lot of funding to the United Nations...so they can stand up in public and vote against us! (Equal opportunity writ large, I guess).
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