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Old 02-16-2010, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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the way congress and presidents have been spending money in the last 40 years....
America has nobody to blame but themselves. They've wanted the impossible, a great way of life, with fantastic infrastructure, and low taxes. Daddy Bush gave them a dose of reality and they kicked his arse right out the door when the next election was up.
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Old 02-16-2010, 09:22 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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So, they're afraid of some unannounced future tax policy that is apparently being held secret? Luckily all of them aren't afraid as the job numbers are showing steady improvement with many more companies hiring than were a few months ago and the rate of job losses rapidly decelerating.

So, again, I ask, which exactly of Obama's "business" policies are you referring to when you say that they are injurious to future economic growth?

If you can provide some actual information and facts, instead of your biased conjecture, you can actually help me form a better opinion. I am a business owner... Are you?

show me what jobs are being created, and do not include any make do jobs or any jobs in either the federal or state sector.

jobs in the federal & state sectors are not possible without taking money out of the economy.
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Old 02-16-2010, 09:24 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Friend show me where the jobs are being created.

Job loss deceleration means squat when the minimal job force reaches its number whatever that is.

I want to see our country do great, so my opinions come from people I know and meet locally and my local newspapers don't paint a pretty picture with layoffs still happening to this day.
Here is a chart based on actual numbers of what is happening:

CHART OF THE DAY: It's Official: Obama Is Creaming Bush When It Comes To Jobs

Looks like deceleration of loss and increasing growth to me.
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Old 02-16-2010, 09:26 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Friend show me where the jobs are being created.

Job loss deceleration means squat when the minimal job force reaches its number whatever that is.

I want to see our country do great, so my opinions come from people I know and meet locally and my local newspapers don't paint a pretty picture with layoffs still happening to this day.
Layoffs are ALWAYS happening - even in a strong economy, and job creation ALWAYS happens - even in a recession (even in one as severe as the one we've just had). The difference between ongoing job loss and ongoing job creation is what determines the unemployment rate change. We are now roughly at the point where job creation is about to become more than the ongoing job loss. Several companies have ALREADY announced they are resuming hiring - among them Caterpillar and GE.

Manufacturing Payrolls in U.S. Expand as Caterpillar, GE Hire - BusinessWeek

Ken
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Old 02-16-2010, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Here is a chart based on actual numbers of what is happening:

CHART OF THE DAY: It's Official: Obama Is Creaming Bush When It Comes To Jobs

Looks like deceleration of loss and increasing growth to me.
It's not that we're gaining any jobs..we're "losing less".
It's a typical bell curve though. I attribute it to the economy, not a President though.
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Old 02-16-2010, 09:29 PM
 
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Here is a chart based on actual numbers of what is happening:

CHART OF THE DAY: It's Official: Obama Is Creaming Bush When It Comes To Jobs

Looks like deceleration of loss and increasing growth to me.
"It's a perfect mirror image, as this chart from Nancy Pelosi's office
demonstrates."

This is what I was thinking.

Look at the source.

Just like when they say the UI rate is "X" % number when it's really a much higher "X" % number.

I want raw reality.

Tell that "rosey" data to the roughly about 10,000 people that got laid from various companies these last two months in my area.
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Old 02-16-2010, 09:30 PM
 
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It's not that we're gaining any jobs..we're "losing less".

I attribute it to the economy, not a President though.
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Old 02-16-2010, 09:58 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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America has nobody to blame but themselves. They've wanted the impossible, a great way of life, with fantastic infrastructure, and low taxes. Daddy Bush gave them a dose of reality and they kicked his arse right out the door when the next election was up.


I dont see pbo doing any better spending trillions like it was water.
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Old 02-17-2010, 04:33 AM
 
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I dont see pbo doing any better spending trillions like it was water.
Evidently only 34% of $787B has been spent, $100B of that tax relief



(Eye on the Stimulus - ProPublica)
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Old 02-17-2010, 07:47 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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That 3rd quarter of growth will happen THIS quarter and be announced in April.



Ken

Your addition is off!!!

March will be the end of the 1st quarter of the year and the 2nd quarter to look at. Figures that come out in July for the 2nd quarter of the year, will be that magical 3rd quarter.
You may be surprised, when the figures presented in April for the 1st quarter, are down.
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