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Old 02-24-2010, 11:06 AM
 
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I had this talk with some people the other day about this and they say yes, it's a mess.

So what can we do to change the tide before kids look at school as a glorified daycare instead of a place of higher learning?

whose fault is it? the school system? the teachers? the parents? All?
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Old 02-24-2010, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Yes. Thanks to "no child left behind" the school is only as smart as it's dumbest student.

Plus, for as long as I've been around school seems to be more about teaching kids how to stand in line rather than how to think objectively and fill their heads with useful facts. I swear I didn't learn anything until after High School.

Who's fault is it? Everyone's.
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Old 02-24-2010, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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America has been going to hell on a greasy pole as fast as it can slide for quite some time.
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Old 02-24-2010, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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I don't think parents are able (or not interested) to motivate their children to learn.
Peer pressure among students is that it's not cool to be smart.
Schools emphasize (as well as the entire community) that the school win championships in basketball and football.
Ignorance is excused (sometimes rewarded) in our society.
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Old 02-24-2010, 12:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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If we had an educated population the world banking interests would not be able to control us and to steal the wealth of the middle class. Bankers control the government, and the government runs the schools, where from an early age we are taught to think in abstract, and to ignore logic. It is so bad now that the media tells people the economy is recovering and people believe it despite overwhelming facts and figures to the contrary. .
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Old 02-24-2010, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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Considering there are people justifying the acts of Joeseph Stack and condemning the actions of Osama Bin Laden, yes, it is dumbed down.
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Old 02-24-2010, 12:31 PM
 
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The assessments are inaccurate and unreliable methods of assessing knowledge. So it gives you the perception that the students are getting dumber, lazier, and worse. Public education is very communist. They use a one size fits all method for everybody and everything. Almost everything involves group work. So you are trained to think what the group thinks instead of individual thinking and individual learning.

There could be a vast majority of students in failing school systems that could learn far better with hands-on learning. Doing is learning.

What is going on is poor quality designed assessments. Poor quality teaching. Poor quality education management. Poor quality supervisors. Everything is poor quality.

Did I mention that some teachers are flat out psycho. I can remember having at least one psycho teacher that was well respected per school year up through high school. Can you imagine the stress of dealing with a psycho teacher. It destroys your education. The students begin to assume that acting psycho is normal. Hence the reason why students of today are acting so psycho. Hence the reasons for the intense prescription of psychiatric medication which actually do not work.

Public education is antiquated. When students can work at home on online courses. They are forced to wake up at 7 a.m. and attend stupid BS impractical classes that many students will never use in real life.

They did away with P.E. which is a step in the right direction. You cannot control whether somebody wants to stay fit or not. It is beyond stupid to force people to play sports that they are not interested in. Let people recreate on their own free time.

Public education should be for learning practical skill sets that will benefit students as productive citizens and professionals.

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Old 02-25-2010, 06:54 AM
 
Location: FL
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Perhaps the dumbing down is from the 1980 founding of the Department od Education. Federal mandates in local schools is such a rediculous idea. We the People of each school district should not be beholding to the feds and what they "think" is appropriate for OUR schools. Having teachers prepare our children for tests, No CHild Left Behind....instead of actaully teaching the 3 R's, creates frustration and lack of autonomy for those who teach. The Dept of Education should be eliminated.
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The answer is customer relations.

Since those paying for the service are not the same as the people receiving the service, there is no way for feedback to correct the system.

Eliminate ALL public funding and administration.

Parents pay for their own child's education - directly.

If parents want their child to have the best "sports entertainment" experience, so be it. Or if they want a baby sitting service, so be it. And those who want their child educated, will not remain customers of any school that can't do the job.
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:06 AM
 
Location: southern california
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w/o discipline and punishment there is no learning. reward only works with rats only, not apes. AA hijacked civil rights movement & used the K12 as reeducation camp. forced teachers and admin to accept gangbangers dressed up like school children. the theory was if you put a few bad apples in with the good, the bad apples will heal. a lie.
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