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Old 03-04-2010, 07:21 PM
 
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By discouraging higher education we will just shift more of the populace to low paying jobs. We are already behind the rest of the world in education. Our entitlements bubble is about to burst, because we can no longer finance it.

We should make higher education more accessible - not less, and it must become the highest priority if we are to salvage this nation and compete in this world economy.

The wealthy have become much more so in the last 10 years. We need to reverse some of that flow, cut Welfare, and re-focus on education.

Maybe only the students get the message. We should be aiding them, not beating them.


BERKELEY, Calif. — The day after the University of California Board of Regents approved a 32 percent increase in fees that are the equivalent of tuition, protests continued on several campuses, with students occupying buildings at Santa Cruz and Berkeley.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/us/21tuition.html



More than 1,000 students from Arizona state universities staged a protest at the Capitol on Wednesday, calling for lawmakers to spare [COLOR=#0000ee !important][COLOR=#0000ee !important]higher [COLOR=#0000ee !important]education[/color][/color][/color] from draconian budget cuts.

1,000 Ariz. students protest budget cuts
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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Agreed, but what's the solution? Folks always complain about budget cuts, but where are the calls for colleges/universities to start exercising fiscal discipline?
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Agreed, but what's the solution? Folks always complain about budget cuts, but where are the calls for colleges/universities to start exercising fiscal discipline?
There is no incentive for colleges and universities to lower tuition costs, because the federal government thinks the way to combat the outrageous increases in tuition is by increasing the federal tuition subsidies.
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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We should make higher education more accessible - not less, and it must become the highest priority if we are to salvage this nation and compete in this world economy.
When I was young, having a college education was the key to success, because few people had them. As the Middle Class realized this, they mortgaged their retirements and houses to send their kids to college en masse, thereby inflating the price of college to ridiculous levels. At the same time, the number of jobs that were appropriate for college grads continued to decline as businesses slashed the work force. The result? Now you had to get a Master's Degree, on to of the college degree, to get ahead of the crowd. Now at least 6 years of advanced education that the family had to pay for.

I don't think the answer to our problems is that everyone who goes to high school should get a college degree. Instead, I think the problem is an educational system that focuses the vast majority of resources on the lowest performing students, while virtually ignoring the gifted students. If a child is severely intellectually handicapped, he or she is virtually assured of a taxpayer funded assistant to help this student along. The student in the class with an IQ of 180 will sit there, bored to tears while the class moves along at a pace where the slowest can keep up. If we invested in our most gifted students from the beginning of their school careers, we could help them achieve the scholastic levels to compete on a world scale.

In today's world, I would encourage young people to go to a vocational school and learn a trade. If they are smart, they can start their own businesses in the trade. I'll bet those kid do much better in our "new" economy than those who get college degrees and join the faceless masses trying desperately to find a job in an economy that will only find room for 1 in 10 of them.
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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There is no incentive for colleges and universities to lower tuition costs, because the federal government thinks the way to combat the outrageous increases in tuition is by increasing the federal tuition subsidies.
Well, it's been doing a pretty poor job at keeping up. Furthermore, whenever states cut funding, it seems that the standard reaction by higher education is to increase tuition/fees. Meanwhile, the Taj Mahals keep going up, and overlapping/low-interest programs persist.

And don't get me started on textbooks.
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Old 03-04-2010, 07:40 PM
 
Location: southern california
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they can get an educated worker from india lots cheaper than here. easier ed is good- but you dont need just an easier education path--- you need a union. btw i am seeing way too many "college students" in a 4 year school taking body building, ethnic studies and italian 101 instead of core curriculums, ego boosts at a very high debt price.
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:23 PM
 
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Agreed, but what's the solution? Folks always complain about budget cuts, but where are the calls for colleges/universities to start exercising fiscal discipline?
The salaries for professors and administrators must be reduced.
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Old 03-04-2010, 08:29 PM
 
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When I was young, having a college education was the key to success, because few people had them. As the Middle Class realized this, they mortgaged their retirements and houses to send their kids to college en masse, thereby inflating the price of college to ridiculous levels. At the same time, the number of jobs that were appropriate for college grads continued to decline as businesses slashed the work force. The result? Now you had to get a Master's Degree, on to of the college degree, to get ahead of the crowd. Now at least 6 years of advanced education that the family had to pay for.

I don't think the answer to our problems is that everyone who goes to high school should get a college degree. Instead, I think the problem is an educational system that focuses the vast majority of resources on the lowest performing students, while virtually ignoring the gifted students. If a child is severely intellectually handicapped, he or she is virtually assured of a taxpayer funded assistant to help this student along. The student in the class with an IQ of 180 will sit there, bored to tears while the class moves along at a pace where the slowest can keep up. If we invested in our most gifted students from the beginning of their school careers, we could help them achieve the scholastic levels to compete on a world scale.

In today's world, I would encourage young people to go to a vocational school and learn a trade. If they are smart, they can start their own businesses in the trade. I'll bet those kid do much better in our "new" economy than those who get college degrees and join the faceless masses trying desperately to find a job in an economy that will only find room for 1 in 10 of them.
Assuredly, college isn't for everyone, but the ones out in the street protesting, deserve their shot.

The 'cream' always rises to the top, whether they are in the inner city, or upper suburbun schools, and there should not be economic impediments to their advancement.

Trade and vocational schools are just as necessary in our society.
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