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Old 03-25-2010, 08:33 AM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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When medicare came into place, EVERYONE was against it, yet today that's what they don't want to lose! Taxes going up? Maybe... I much rather them going for my insurance... it's unfair for those who have to not want others to have...as it is I pay taxes for senior citizens medicare benefits, and yet they don't want us to have anything... a little fair?
And it's unfair (and unconstitutional) for those who neither have nor want to be mandated to buy services or goods from a private sector business. It's unfair (and unconstitutional) for those whose beliefs do not include modern medicine to be forced to partake. It's totalitarianism, plain and simple. There is no difference between Obamacare forcing me to partake in medical care, and me forcing you to buy at least $2000 worth of opera music MP3s each month... because opera is a right, not a privilege. Now of course, if you are all into opera, that might not seem such a bad thing; but if you hate opera and never listen to it, you would see it as a tyrannical mandate. So, y’all can run to the damned doctor to get your little yellow pills every ten minutes for free now. Good for you. Hope you’re happy.

Mandating medical care is no less tyrannical than forbidding medical care. How would you feel about it if the president told you that you could never see a doctor again? All doctors are retrained as dog groomers. All hospitals are closed. Think about it: no medical care would end the population explosion, it would end the high cost of medical care, it would end the ‘greedy’ insurance companies… it would solve many social ills; we’d all be treated equally. If you live a destructive lifestyle, you die. If you come up on the bad side of luck and get a deadly disease or condition, you die. Simple. Let statistics be the mandate. So, what do you say to that mandate? Yeah… I didn’t think so.
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Old 03-28-2010, 02:45 PM
 
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And it's unfair (and unconstitutional) for those who neither have nor want to be mandated to buy services or goods from a private sector business. It's unfair (and unconstitutional) for those whose beliefs do not include modern medicine to be forced to partake. It's totalitarianism, plain and simple. There is no difference between Obamacare forcing me to partake in medical care, and me forcing you to buy at least $2000 worth of opera music MP3s each month... because opera is a right, not a privilege. Now of course, if you are all into opera, that might not seem such a bad thing; but if you hate opera and never listen to it, you would see it as a tyrannical mandate. So, y’all can run to the damned doctor to get your little yellow pills every ten minutes for free now. Good for you. Hope you’re happy.

Mandating medical care is no less tyrannical than forbidding medical care. How would you feel about it if the president told you that you could never see a doctor again? All doctors are retrained as dog groomers. All hospitals are closed. Think about it: no medical care would end the population explosion, it would end the high cost of medical care, it would end the ‘greedy’ insurance companies… it would solve many social ills; we’d all be treated equally. If you live a destructive lifestyle, you die. If you come up on the bad side of luck and get a deadly disease or condition, you die. Simple. Let statistics be the mandate. So, what do you say to that mandate? Yeah… I didn’t think so.
No hospitals or clinics will be closing... the difference now will be not who gets paid for providing Health Care but how they get paid... No more dropping people from coverage when they get sick even though they were paying their premiums... the Health Insurance Industry had turned into a cash grab... those days are over.
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Old 03-28-2010, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Florida
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No hospitals or clinics will be closing... the difference now will be not who gets paid for providing Health Care but how they get paid... No more dropping people from coverage when they get sick even though they were paying their premiums... the Health Insurance Industry had turned into a cash grab... those days are over.
You call a 3% profit margin a cash grab?
Wonder what you'd call my restaurant with a 7% profit
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Old 03-28-2010, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You call a 3% profit margin a cash grab?
Wonder what you'd call my restaurant with a 7% profit
Why..you're as bad as GS and JPM and the other banksters on Wall Street.
You need to be making a loss there buddy, red is good these days in "opposite world".
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Old 03-28-2010, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I'm sorry.......
All You Can Eat Babybacks for $1 starts tomorrow
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Old 03-28-2010, 03:17 PM
 
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You call a 3% profit margin a cash grab?
Wonder what you'd call my restaurant with a 7% profit
Blame the doctors and hospitals for price gouging on Health Care...
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Old 03-28-2010, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Blame the doctors and hospitals for price gouging on Health Care...
YOU just blamed the insurance industry. Make up your mind who the boogeyman is
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Old 03-28-2010, 03:21 PM
 
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YOU just blamed the insurance industry. Make up your mind who the boogeyman is
It's both obviously... one hand takes care of the other sucking cash out of the working middle class...
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Old 03-28-2010, 05:53 PM
 
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HC475 - Clearly you believe that "somehow" your cost for health insurance is going to go down now that the bill has passed.

OK - So how much are you paying now? How much do you want to bet that your cost will be more in January 2011.... and 2012.... and 2013....ad nauseum?

Let me know, I'll need the money since I'm equally sure that my cost will be more every year.
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Old 03-28-2010, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Insurance premium...no cap, no max yearly increase amt
Gov subsidy...tied to CPI
individual premium..no cap, no max yearly increase amt

So who gets stuck with the bulk of any premium increase ???
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