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Most small businesses that employ the majority of citizens, do not provide healthcare to their employees now. That is how they keep cost down to their customers, with less overhead.
Now the government steps in and says, it will be mandatory you as an employer, provide healthcare benefits to all your employees.
That is going to do 1, of 3 things to your business.
1.) The cost of everything will skyrocket. You think tripling the cost of things is bad.... Wait and see!
2.) You will see all employees, mislabeled as subcontract labor, to skate the new law.
3.) To stay competitive, the additional cost involved with employees, will hinder hiring.
But your an employee and would never understand the price of doing business, especially if your a government employee.
4.) The private sector has always provided sexier nurses than government institutions.
Oh yes because private health insurance companies don't get between people and their doctor...
People can switch insurance companies and/or specific insurance plans if they don't like the limitations imposed. They can't switch governments without surrendering citizenship and moving out of the country.
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Please provide proof for the part in bold.
Everything listed under...
AGENCY FOR HEALTHCARE RESEARCH AND QUALITY HEALTHCARE RESEARCH AND QUALITY (INCLUDING TRANSFER OF FUNDS)
PURPOSE.—The National Coordinator shall perform the duties under subsection (c) in a manner consistent with the development of a nationwide health information technology infrastructure that allows for the electronic use and exchange of information and that— ...(3) reduces health care costs resulting from inefficiency, medical errors, inappropriate care, duplicative care, and incomplete information
Id love to see the stats for that, got em there right handy?
Instead of seeming to be so uninformed by constantly having to ask others to provide info, why don't you post evidence to back your blindly held opinions?
Id love to see the stats for that, got em there right handy?
Im putting my chips on, most people who work for companies that dont offer insurance or whose plans are too expensive for those employees to afford rely on the emergency room and whatever fed or state-funded care assistance.
Care to provide your stats?
I am not covered by an employer and have not been for 15+ yrs. Yet, I have been insured, self-insured, at a much lower cost than "Obamacare" will allow me. I pay what is not covered by my high deductible plan out of pocket.
I know many people who are self-employed or work, basically as private contractors, farm workers, etc..., who do the same.
Your stats?
Maybe you are referring to the millions of illegal aliens who use emergency rooms and do not pay out of pocket for their care but instead stick it to the US taxpayer? Maybe you are refering to those who fail to take personal responsibility to pay for their healthcare because they know the nanny state of taxpayers will eventually foot the bill? Is that the population to whom you refer?
So how's unemployement in Mass? or Maine? Vermont, Tennessee. How many jobs did their healthcare reform efforts create? I've said it before, I'll say it again. This bill takes some of the worst ideas tried at the state level, and shown to be failures, and attempts to implement them on the national level. It's pure folly, and a trillion dollar disaster.
Another false arguement based upon faulty assumptions.
Just because an employer doesn't provide insurance doesn't mean that an employee is "un-insured".
Just because a person does not purchase a product, in this case health insurance, does not mean they fail to pay their health bills out of pocket, through cultural community co-ops, etc....
Just because the government forces the purchase of a product, again health insurance, it doesn't mean that taxes and medical bill will be lower. In fact, we can expect taxes to be higher, care to be rationed, medical devices to be additionally taxed, etc... .
Higher taxes, further government regulations and burdens upon business, historically have a negative effect on employment and commerce in general.
...and if I'm not mistaken, the penalties for not providing healthcare to employees is lower then the costs if they provided it. I also think the fines imposed on citizens for not buying health insurance are lower then the costs of buying it.
If these are all correct, then its cheaper for everyone if no one buys any health care, and we just wait until we get sick, then apply for health care insurance until we get well again, and cancel the insurance. Rinse - repeat
I am not covered by an employer and have not been for 15+ yrs. Yet, I have been insured, self-insured, at a much lower cost than "Obamacare" will allow me. I pay what is not covered by my high deductible plan out of pocket.
I know many people who are self-employed or work, basically as private contractors, farm workers, etc..., who do the same.
Your stats?
Maybe you are referring to the millions of illegal aliens who use emergency rooms and do not pay out of pocket for their care but instead stick it to the US taxpayer? Maybe you are refering to those who fail to take personal responsibility to pay for their healthcare because they know the nanny state of taxpayers will eventually foot the bill? Is that the population to whom you refer?
I didnt ask for your personal details, I asked if you had stats, statistics, to which you might link for our edification, to back this up:
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Just because an employer doesn't provide insurance doesn't mean that an employee is "un-insured".
If it's just your opinion based on your own personal experience, ya coulda just said so.
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The Health Care Bill would include a single payer plan... the govt... which is the main objective of the Bill.
And who will fund this healthcare bill? Citizens and businesses who pays taxes. The increase in taxes for businesses will likely offset any potential cost-savings from not having to pay the direct healthcare costs of employees. I often wonder why folks think that government money just grows on trees.
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