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Old 06-04-2007, 01:50 PM
 
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John, you make some good points and I have to agree you and with some of the Libertarian views but political views have to go beyond the simplistic limits of one party. There are too many pieces of “each” of the political parties that are worth too much to give up for yet another party. There are positives in each of the many parties of this nation and I believe we need to take the best values of each party to benefit as a whole for the needs of a social group of people in this country.
Libertarianism is not a compromise but is an ideology of principle. Simply because we hold some views common with Reps, i.e. lower taxes, and some from Dems.,i.e. homosexuality, doesn't mean that we agree with those parties. For example, if I state that I don't believe in income taxes because I consider this theft that was legalized by the federal government, how can I support using this money for universal health care?

We, Libertarians, are as a whole undecided on a few issues because our common principles are interpreted differently, i.e. abortion, national defense. However, typically these principles can be used in any issue or situation to find a Libertarian solution. If you have a particular issue in mind, just ask and I will try to explain my Libertarian solution and how it was derived.
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Old 06-04-2007, 02:51 PM
 
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What's so insane about being free from government intrusion?
It's the degree to which many libertarians want to take the removal of government intrusion. There is a good, reasonable, and just form of government, and most libertarians to whom I speak want something just shy of anarchy.
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:07 PM
 
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I appreciate the information on Lib issues or points of view. However I must say that I’m not hard noised to follow the line of any one party philosophy. I continue to enjoy the best of each party for what they can offer to society. My hero is Charles Goyette talkradio host on KFHX 1100am out of Phoenix, if you can pick up the station he starts the day at 6am to 9. You can also pick him up on the internet via "streaming audio" from the station.
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Old 06-04-2007, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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By far one of the best points in the Libertarian agenda is to legalize illegal drugs, such as marijuana. What I wonder about, though, do Libertarians want drugs legalized under a government regulated and taxed market or comparable to what we have now, an insane, unregulated, underground market of dope? I, by far, prefer the former approach.
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Old 06-04-2007, 04:55 PM
 
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If socialism is named the Nanny State, then Libertarianism would be more like the Drunk Uncle State.
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Old 06-04-2007, 07:25 PM
 
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By far one of the best points in the Libertarian agenda is to legalize illegal drugs, such as marijuana. What I wonder about, though, do Libertarians want drugs legalized under a government regulated and taxed market or comparable to what we have now, an insane, unregulated, underground market of dope? I, by far, prefer the former approach.
It certainly needs to be regulated to prevent children from having unfettered access to them. They also should be subject to the same sales tax as all other products, no more, no less.
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Old 06-04-2007, 11:16 PM
 
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I believe in the medical use and need for the marijuana, however I draw the line at that. If a government can’t control the people and their misuse of alcohol how could we expect them to control the proper use of marijuana? Also there is an alarming high rate of children under 18 years of age that are smoking or worse now.
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Old 06-04-2007, 11:33 PM
 
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What's so insane about being free from government intrusion?
Government is not the only entity that can threaten one's freedom.
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Old 06-05-2007, 02:51 AM
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Me, yes, I have stated that I have beliefs in the Libertarian way of life. And to use your own quote above, in regards to your claim of 'gov't intrusion', does not the platform from which you past itself place limitations on what a person can or can not do - as long as no harm becomes towards another? And does not smoking around others not potentially harmful to others? By your logic, I should be able to set up my own business, on my own private property, and then damn all others to whatever foul stuff my industry may spew out into the air, water, and/or land - without care of the welfare of others??? Sorry, but there are limitations - and they are in place to protect others from the madness of those that may potentially do harm.
There is an important distinction with that example. A business that pollutes the environment is violating the rights of others because the pollution may cause harm to them without their approval. Government regulation is justified in this case to protect the rights of those individuals. The business must be held accountable for the harm it causes people, and the legal system is how we hold businesses and individuals accountable.

But if someone enters a smoke-filled bar, they do so willingly and they are implicitly deciding for themselves that breathing smoke is acceptable to them. And that is the difference. In the first case, harm is caused by outside forces beyond the person's direct control. In the second case, the individual has complete control of the decision.
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Old 06-05-2007, 02:55 AM
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Government is not the only entity that can threaten one's freedom.
True. And the government's role should be to protect the rights of individuals from intrusion by those entities. The government itself should not be one of those entities that threatens one's freedom.
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