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"Terminating a pregnancy" is a fancy way of saying "killing an unborn infant". This is a fact, not my opinion: there's nothing in the time space between when most abortions occur and birth that changes the essence of the being inside the mother. He/she is essentially the same being between fertilization (and probably conception) and death. In addition, almost all pro-choice activity (perhaps 90%), in my observation, surrounds keeping abortion legal.
Unborn infant is a fancy way of saying zygote or fetus, you know, the medical, not emotional, term.
I think you better look at some credible information about gestation before you make silly comments.
"Terminating a pregnancy" is a fancy way of saying "killing an unborn infant". This is a fact, not my opinion:
Sorry, you can't make up facts as you go along. That is indeed your opinion. An infant is a young child, I'm not sure what relevance the term has to abortion.
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there's nothing in the time space between when most abortions occur and birth that changes the essence of the being inside the mother. He/she is essentially the same being between fertilization (and probably conception) and death.
Same essence when an unplanned for child is raised in a bad environment bereft of help from pro-lifers. Same being, less passionate emotion with regard to their well-being.
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In addition, almost all pro-choice activity (perhaps 90%), in my observation, surrounds keeping abortion legal.
Is that right? So you have put in lot of hours volunteering for pro-choice organizations have you? Then you would know the biggest single activity in the pro-choice movement is sexual education, specifically with regard to pregnancy prevention. In your observation what does the pro-life movement do? Lots of hysterical screaming, shouting, waving banners of dismembered fetuses, throwing bloodied dolls at people entering Planned Parenthood, all exceedingly unhelpful activities. Perhaps when pro-life organizations actually roll up their sleeves and DO something about unplanned pregnancies they'll earn a little more respect.
How selfish it is that women can abort a child wanted by a man, or force a man to pay for a child for 18 years when the man wants nothing to do with the child.
Men and women should share the potential consequences, and right now it's the woman making 100% of the decision while the man has to live with whatever.
And as long as the woman bears the fruit of the coupling, that's the way it will be. If a man is not interested in getting a woman pregnant and facing the consequences, get a vasectomy, use protection or don't have sex where you're not willing to pay the price.
A woman cannot get pregnant without sperm.
It is the sperm, not the egg, that determines pregnancy.
And as long as the woman bears the fruit of the coupling, that's the way it will be. If a man is not interested in getting a woman pregnant and facing the consequences, get a vasectomy, use protection or don't have sex where you're not willing to pay the price.
A woman cannot get pregnant without sperm.
It is the sperm, not the egg, that determines pregnancy.
And if the woman didn't have the egg, she wouldn't get preganant Your circular logic is ridiculous and shows you won't deviate from your agenda.
To force a man to pay for a child for 18 years is equivalent IMO to banning abortion for woman. It takes 2 to get pregnant, and the fact that the woman can abort at any time should give the man a right to opt of paying for 18 years before birth.
And if the woman didn't have the egg, she wouldn't get preganant Your circular logic is ridiculous and shows you won't deviate from your agenda.
To force a man to pay for a child for 18 years is equivalent IMO to banning abortion for woman. It takes 2 to get pregnant, and the fact that the woman can abort at any time should give the man a right to opt of paying for 18 years before birth.
It's not circular logic.
An egg is an egg, without sperm to fertilize it, it will simply be expelled by the body during a woman's menstrual cycle.
This means that the sperm is the outside force that causes pregnancy; without the sperm, the egg would be expelled by the woman.
Are you a product of public school or evangelical or something?
The basics of physiology are usually taught in junior high.
So both of you MEN waited to have sex until you "were prepared to have a child"? I'm sure you "had self control" because we all know how easy it is to turn off your hormones. (proper BC is the correct answer BTW)
Oh wait... men can't actually prepare to give birth or make that decision for a woman. Funny that you two MEN seem to want to make that decision for all women.
What I had was self control as a WOMAN. I am not surprised though that you think the man has no responsibility or a voice in the event of a pregancy. Left wngers do not beleve in personal responsibility.
They are not essentially different. An embryo, fetus, and infant (as well as a child, adolescent, adult, and senior) are simply different stages of development in a HUMAN BEING'S life. Compare this with a separated sperm and egg, which simply are potential human beings - not actual human beings, until they combine to form an entity - classed as a living homo sapiens sapien - which continues to be alive until it dies. Again, there is no point during a pregnancy at which the embryo or fetus magically becomes human. In fact, you could use the same logic to kill a newborn infant - which is devoid of rationality or hardly self-aware, two undeniably but not necessary human characteristics - and call it "moral" or a "woman's choice".
And the embryo in your picture already is already almost humanoid in appearance, even more so at 12 or 14 weeks, when a significant percentage of abortions take place.
An embryo and a fetus (up to viability) cannot survive outside of a woman's body. That is the big difference.
A "significant" amount of abortions do not occur at 12 weeks and later. 11%.
What I had was self control as a WOMAN. I am not surprised though that you think the man has no responsibility or a voice in the event of a pregancy. Left wngers do not beleve in personal responsibility.
Abortion is personal responsibility.
You think it's more responsible to bring an unwanted child into the world that you can't support and live off of welfare instead?
Personal responsibility to you means: punish the woman for getting pregnant.
It's not circular logic.
An egg is an egg, without sperm to fertilize it, it will simply be expelled by the body during a woman's menstrual cycle.
This means that the sperm is the outside force that causes pregnancy; without the sperm, the egg would be expelled by the woman.
Are you a product of public school or evangelical or something?
The basics of physiology are usually taught in junior high.
Your personal insult aside, it takes both an egg and sperm to make a pregnancy. Your argument can be used by the pro-lifers who say the woman shouldn't have had sex.
The fact is, both parties created the pregnancy, the woman should (and does) have the right to end the pregnancy, but if the man doesn't want the baby he shouldn't have to pay for it.
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Your circular logic is ridiculous and shows you won't deviate from your agenda.
