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Old 03-24-2010, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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10th amendement. This a power reserved to the states, the federal government cannot mandate that it be done.
Well, then you're simply uninformed, just provided with a one-liner from your "leaders" that you must spew all day long.

Get educated on the subject.
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Midessa, Texas Home Yangzhou, Jiangsu temporarily
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Well, then you're simply uninformed, just provided with a one-liner from your "leaders" that you must spew all day long.

Get educated on the subject.
Maybe you are the one who is uninformed. I don't really have any leaders. I believe in the rule of law, not the rule of men (and/or women)
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:55 PM
 
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How so, specifically?
Where does it say in the constitution, that liberals are so fond of using for their gain and benefit and "be right" arguments", that American citizens are entitled to health care?
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Old 03-24-2010, 09:00 PM
 
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"Why don't you use the waiver provision to let you go set up your own plan?" the senator asked those who threaten health-care-related lawsuits. "Why would you just say you are going to sue everybody, when this bill gives you the authority and the legal counsel is on record as saying you can do it without an individual mandate?"

So what do the constitution hawks think about this?
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Old 03-24-2010, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Midessa, Texas Home Yangzhou, Jiangsu temporarily
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"Why don't you use the waiver provision to let you go set up your own plan?" the senator asked those who threaten health-care-related lawsuits. "Why would you just say you are going to sue everybody, when this bill gives you the authority and the legal counsel is on record as saying you can do it without an individual mandate?"

So what do the constitution hawks think about this?
The States don't need a waiver provision. The States can have a health care plan or not have one, the federal government cannot mandate they must have one.
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Old 03-24-2010, 09:28 PM
 
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So I guess the individual mandate is not required after all and hence the state lawsuits are essentially rubbish. A state can do without the individual mandate so long as they can achieve similar results, so now all those Republican Governors can show off their great ideas and implement their own systems! Of course, they know they can't hence the law suits.

This part of the bill is devilishly clever on the Democrats part.

"So let us review how the waiver language works now, because my reading of what we have in the bill now is, if a state can demonstrate that they can meet the criteria -- particularly on cost containment, improving the delivery system -- they can do it without an individual mandate..."

Wyden: Health Care Lawsuits Moot, States Can Opt Out Of Mandate
Pretty shrewd legislation.
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Old 03-24-2010, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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The States don't need a waiver provision. The States can have a health care plan or not have one, the federal government cannot mandate they must have one.
And since you didn't get it... this is specifically about federal government NOT mandating it.

Just a part of the education you need.
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Old 03-24-2010, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Midessa, Texas Home Yangzhou, Jiangsu temporarily
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And since you didn't get it... this is specifically about federal government NOT mandating it.

Just a part of the education you need.
No. It still mandates that they must have some kind of plan.

Just part of the education that you need.
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Old 03-24-2010, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Where does it say in the constitution, that liberals are so fond of using for their gain and benefit and "be right" arguments", that American citizens are entitled to health care?
Well, I really wish y'all would make up your mind. I've seen arguments placed from your side that it is a right, while others call it a privilege. Because if it is indeed just a privilege (like driving a car), then governments can impose restrictions and requirements.
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Old 03-24-2010, 09:34 PM
 
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10th amendement.
The 10th Amendment is to Republicans what the 5th Amendment is to criminals.

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If the framers of the constitution had intended for the federal government to have this power then there would be no need for federalism,
Now that was one funny sentence. You'da thought that Yogi Bera had joined C-D.
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