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Old 03-24-2010, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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So I guess the individual mandate is not required after all and hence the state lawsuits are essentially rubbish. A state can do without the individual mandate so long as they can achieve similar results, so now all those Republican Governors can show off their great ideas and implement their own systems! Of course, they know they can't hence the law suits.

This part of the bill is devilishly clever on the Democrats part.

"So let us review how the waiver language works now, because my reading of what we have in the bill now is, if a state can demonstrate that they can meet the criteria -- particularly on cost containment, improving the delivery system -- they can do it without an individual mandate..."

Wyden: Health Care Lawsuits Moot, States Can Opt Out Of Mandate
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Awesome, if it delivers that it promises. Now it will be interesting to see what the republicans shed their crocodile tears on...
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Midessa, Texas Home Yangzhou, Jiangsu temporarily
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It is still unconstitutional.
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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It is still unconstitutional.
Was that the catch phrase of the day at Drudge or FreeRepublic?
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:39 PM
 
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I liked this bill (now law) from the beginning. I know scare tactics and they don't work on me. And now it's even better. I smell a second term.
Obama's not for the greater good of America, my foot.

FYI - Even though I voted for him, I haven't agreed 100% with him. But 90 - 95% seems to be good. How many people agree 100% anyway? Don't know of any poll on this question... but I'd certainly say... NONE.
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Midessa, Texas Home Yangzhou, Jiangsu temporarily
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Was that the catch phrase of the day at Drudge or FreeRepublic?
I wouldn't know, I don't read those sites.
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:42 PM
 
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It is still unconstitutional.
How so, specifically?
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I wouldn't know, I don't read those sites.
Not everybody does, but they seem to provide daily dose of talking points to every republican around.

So, what is unconstitutional about it?
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:48 PM
 
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So I guess the individual mandate is not required after all and hence the state lawsuits are essentially rubbish. A state can do without the individual mandate so long as they can achieve similar results, so now all those Republican Governors can show off their great ideas and implement their own systems! Of course, they know they can't hence the law suits.

This part of the bill is devilishly clever on the Democrats part.

"So let us review how the waiver language works now, because my reading of what we have in the bill now is, if a state can demonstrate that they can meet the criteria -- particularly on cost containment, improving the delivery system -- they can do it without an individual mandate..."

Wyden: Health Care Lawsuits Moot, States Can Opt Out Of Mandate
Fantastic! I can't wait to see what the states who are suing will do with this info. You know, the Republicans have it all figured out and they want health care reform as much as the Democrats. Looks like they'll have a chance to prove it. This is great news!!
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:49 PM
 
Location: Midessa, Texas Home Yangzhou, Jiangsu temporarily
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How so, specifically?
10th amendement. This a power reserved to the states, the federal government cannot mandate that it be done.

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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
If the framers of the constitution had intended for the federal government to have this power then there would be no need for federalism, we could just have a central government with no state governments.
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