Socialist health care The Netherlands short of 1.6 billion this year, next year even more...Obama praised the Dutch care (Congress, Pelosi)
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In todays National news paper there is an article how much short Dutch health care will be this year...1.6 billion and next year 1.9 billion which could run up to 2.5 billion...
Wow, Obama really liked this system and praised it and wanted something similar...so be warned this is what is coming....just as the rest of the bad health care I experienced over there...waiting lists, no choice of which doctor and waiting if your primary physician is willing to allow you to go to see a specialist and if not...too bad, you loose!
Gezondheidszorg blijkt veel zieker (health care much more sick then expected)
In 2010 wordt een tegenvaller van ongeveer 1,6 miljard euro verwacht en volgend jaar circa 1,9 miljard euro. En dat zou nog kunnen oplopen tot 2,5 miljard euro, omdat er nog veel onduidelijkheden zijn.
Sorry it is in Dutch, but you probably can read the amounts and see what year is mentioned....miljard= billion in the US...but remember the amounts are in Euro's so even higher then the $.
In todays National news paper there is an article how much short Dutch health care will be this year...1.6 billion and next year 1.9 billion which could run up to 2.5 billion...
Wow, Obama really liked this system and praised it and wanted something similar...so be warned this is what is coming....just as the rest of the bad health care I experienced over there...waiting lists, no choice of which doctor and waiting if your primary physician is willing to allow you to go to see a specialist and if not...too bad, you loose!
Gezondheidszorg blijkt veel zieker (health care much more sick then expected)
In 2010 wordt een tegenvaller van ongeveer 1,6 miljard euro verwacht en volgend jaar circa 1,9 miljard euro. En dat zou nog kunnen oplopen tot 2,5 miljard euro, omdat er nog veel onduidelijkheden zijn.
Sorry it is in Dutch, but you probably can read the amounts and see what year is mentioned....miljard= billion in the US...but remember the amounts are in Euro's so even higher then the $.
From start to finish this whole health care scheme was and is a scam. Everyone knows it--both those who support it and those who oppose it. That's why opposition has morphed into outrage. If the true cost of this had been revealed to the American public there is no way this would have passed. Ultimately, as the NYT belatedly admitted, this was not about health care. It was about re-distribution of wealth. The result will be less health care, worse health care and more expensive health care. Some "reform!"
THE HAGUE - the setbacks in the health care explode. According to initiates the overshootings fall with which have demissionair minister Klink (public health) to do this year much higher from than the one billion on which had been so far counted
In 2010, a setback of approximately 1.6 billion euro is expected and next year approximately 1.9 billion euro. And that still is able incur up to 2.5 billion euro, because there are obscurities still many.
This converts into $2.171B deficits this year, and $2.578B to $3.4B next year with a population of 16.5M
Debt is an abstract in America. It's there, lingering ever-so-presently over all of our heads, but without a monthly statment in the mail telling us how much, it pretty much just doesn't exist. So we continue to write checks, floating them along the jetstream over to foreign lands, unconsciously buying what we as American's think we "deserve", like it's a birthright, in this case Universal Healthcare, and foolishly comparing our "failed" healthcare system to countries the size of Massachussetts, who interestingly has "failed" in its own attempt at Universal Healthcare, and then beat our chests and tell the world that "we can do it better than them" because we're America and we're the richest nation in the world! And yet America has not one single entitlement program that is solvent. So why do we keep running around in circles? If medical debt can crush a household, then medical debt can crush a nation. And it will. Bet on it.
Well, medical debt IS crushing our nation when over 60% of bankruptcies filed are for medical reasons. http://www.pnhp.org/new_bankruptcy_s...uptcy-2009.pdf You can take your pick of any number of measures to demonstrate how personal medical debt is out of control because of the untenable medical laws...
Reform had to happen, and thank goodness it's taken the form of a bill that will actually reduce our deficit.
Yep, I've lived in the Netherlands for the last few years and have experienced all its vicissitudes. Yep, the government here is failing to manage the system in a fashion that keeps it solvent, but the failures of the actual healthcare here have everything to do with Dutch attitudes toward health and sickness and nothing to do with any government intervention. The United States will not collapse in flames because it has taken a step toward relieving the burden of health care costs overwhelming its citizenry.
Duly repped dutchmum, the righties need their informed smackdowns when they get self righteous. I mean, the countries of the EU have had UHC for decades and things get a bit out of kilter because of a Global Depression that the U.S. real estate debacle caused and the wingnuts are trying to spin it as grist for the mill. Be ashamed! Go ahead, tell someone from Europe with a straight face that you like paying $500/mo for health insurance. Tell them that $2K/dy for a hospital stay is really quite cheap and, in fact should cost much more. Five right wing zealots are responsible for over a Terrabyte of hysterical, reactionary, misinformation. What an amazing abuse of the First Ammendment.
Sorry it is in Dutch, but you probably can read the amounts and see what year is mentioned....miljard= billion in the US...but remember the amounts are in Euro's so even higher then the $.
The health care bill was a victory for private health insurance companies. The system we have now and the system we're going to have in the future is nothing like the Dutch system.
The hyperventilating from the right is just ridiculous.
Well, medical debt IS crushing our nation when over 60% of bankruptcies filed are for medical reasons. http://www.pnhp.org/new_bankruptcy_s...uptcy-2009.pdf You can take your pick of any number of measures to demonstrate how personal medical debt is out of control because of the untenable medical laws...
Reform had to happen, and thank goodness it's taken the form of a bill that will actually reduce our deficit.
You do realize that pnhp.org group is/are run by individuals who want a single payer group so their data is obviously distorted.
Read the medical bankruptcy myth. Only 17% of all bankruptcies are directly attributed to medical conditions. Not 60% like what's stated in that study you quoted.
The real issue with American's is they don't plan for a rainy day. I keep an individual temporary and permanent disability plan to cover myself and my family. I have life insurance. I always keep 24 months hard cash in the bank since I've self employed.
Most people who file for "medical bankruptcy" already have preexisting financial problems. The majority carried heavy credit card debt EVEN before their medical problems arised.
Do we need health reform? Sure. Totally agree. What I don't agree is how this Congress has sold themselves to the devil (insurance companies). All they are doing is "cost shifting". Premiums will still go up. The only two winners of this debate are 1. insurance companies since they get more clients (whether it's through a mandate or the government subsidizing the poor completely). 2. The poor who get essential "free care".
The middle class ends up with higher premiums. The health crisis continues. As more and more middle class can't afford the premiums, government will need to step in and subsidize more people.
Than this 1 trillion dollar bill quickly becomes a 3 trillion dollar bill with no means to pay for it.
This leads to one thing: rationing of care to conserve on the budget. But Pelosi, Reid, Obama won't care. No one will remember their statements "if you currently have care, nothing will change with this bill" Why? Because they will either be long gone from politics or dead by the time our children/grandchildren foot the bill.
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