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Utah claims the feds took it without consent to begin with. Wonder how true that is..
The feds forced it on them to become a state. Utah is an interesting case though because it acted as an independent country under the Mormons, though the U.S. claimed it. In that sense the feds took any land they have.
This should be interesting! Since the federal government pays no property tax to counties in which they own property, I'd like to see the state go after the land for failure to pay taxes. They would any other land owner.
Obviously the federal government owned all of Utah before it was even a state.
BUT, let's say, for argument's sake, that that weren't true, and the land was 'taken' by the federal government and Utah wasn't paid for the acquisition.
That still doesn't mean that in getting the land back, Utah will get it for free. This isn't an if A=B then B=A argument. What happened before doesn't have to happen the same way again.
As for the comment about Virginia and Maryland taking back DC.....there are a lot of Washingtonians that would wholeheartedly agree with you. Most Washingtonians would genuinely love to have the right of representation that the rest of the country enjoys. Of course Virginia wouldn't be 'taking back' anything. The original border of Virginia was the Potomac, and it still is. The parts of DC that were carved from Virginia were the SW quadrant that was reclaimed in the civil war, and is now Arlington. All of DC would go to Maryland. Of course, adding 300,000 to the voting pool would redistribute the seats in the House of Representatives. Maryland would would gain at least one more seat, another solid BLUE VOTE to drown out Utah's conservative voice.....
The States created the federal government. Not the other way around.
And Texas, New Hampshire and Hawaii only joined the Union on the condition that they could leave at any time for any reason.
That proves the States are a sovereign entitiy.
The federal system exists because of the MUTUAL consent ot the states. When a state enters the Union, it relinquishes it's super-sovereignty, for a subnational sovereignty. States are only soverign from each other. But they are prohibited by the Consititution from trade, treaties and war/peace---the acts of a soverign nation.
California and Rhode Island are equal in the eyes of the federal system.
Well, I'm glad New Hampshire, Texas and Hawaii think they can do whatever they want...but the Constitution implies that this Union is perpetual [by virtue of the articles of confederation---and maintained by "to form a more perfect Union"] Just because there might be an asterisk on the Act establishing statehood---even though NH was in on the writiing of the Constitution, that probably has no legal baring.
It is said of Texas (and, occasionally, Vermont) that it received a letter or document of permission to withdraw from the Federal Union if it so chose. In the case of Texas, this permission is sometimes said to have been granted at the time of Texas's admission as a state.
In fact, Texas received no special terms in its admission to the Union.
As I recall only Texas gaveup none of its land to the federal government when it became a state. This could go on for years until the state quits wanting to pay the cost of even if they won the first suit.I think someone needs to lok at who has the right of eminent domain over who.
More power to the Utah gov. The Fed gov't has become far to big for its and our own good. It needs to be put back in its place. And it needs to respect state's rights!
No, it's the federal government that needs to be reminded of it's place. There's a problem when the feds OWN 60% of state. The state is saying that federal ownership impedes commerce in the state leading to a reduction of needed funds....how are they being justly compensated for the loss?
It's ridiculous that anyone could defend the feds owning 60% of Utah or ANY state.
It is said of Texas (and, occasionally, Vermont) that it received a letter or document of permission to withdraw from the Federal Union if it so chose. In the case of Texas, this permission is sometimes said to have been granted at the time of Texas's admission as a state.
In fact, Texas received no special terms in its admission to the Union.
The 10th Amendment gives every state the right to leave the union.
Obviously the federal government owned all of Utah before it was even a state.
BUT, let's say, for argument's sake, that that weren't true, and the land was 'taken' by the federal government and Utah wasn't paid for the acquisition.
That still doesn't mean that in getting the land back, Utah will get it for free. This isn't an if A=B then B=A argument. What happened before doesn't have to happen the same way again.
As for the comment about Virginia and Maryland taking back DC.....there are a lot of Washingtonians that would wholeheartedly agree with you. Most Washingtonians would genuinely love to have the right of representation that the rest of the country enjoys. Of course Virginia wouldn't be 'taking back' anything. The original border of Virginia was the Potomac, and it still is. The parts of DC that were carved from Virginia were the SW quadrant that was reclaimed in the civil war, and is now Arlington. All of DC would go to Maryland. Of course, adding 300,000 to the voting pool would redistribute the seats in the House of Representatives. Maryland would would gain at least one more seat, another solid BLUE VOTE to drown out Utah's conservative voice.....
It's a state now. So the state must consent to the feds owning any land. Withdraw that consent and...well, it hasn't been done before, so it's a new legal territory we're in now...
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