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Old 04-13-2010, 08:42 AM
 
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Doesn't matter..nobody is watching this loser anymore...
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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To the contrary - they were Patriots - defending their homes from an invading Force - the Union Army
That's the UNITED STATES ARMY, they were not invading what was part of the United States

Traitors took up arms against the United States

One Nation, Under God, INDIVISIBLE
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:45 AM
 
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Northern interest groups wanted to abolish slavery, without compensation for the loss that Southern farmers would loose if slaves were freed.

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Thats what the war was over. Abolishment of slavery with no compensation for the slaves.
You've stated emphatically, several times, that there were realistic plans underway to end slavery without compensation. While I have no doubt that there were those who'd love to bankrupt a few competitors, I've never heard anyone seriously claim that this was some sort of insidious master plan just waiting to be sprung.

Do you have a cite or two that this was the intention of the non-slave states, and that it was a remotely realistic option? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it took an amendment to end slavery. Weren't the slave states in a position to block amendments quite easily?
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:47 AM
 
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That's the UNITED STATES ARMY, they were not invading what was part of the United States

Traitors took up arms against the United States

One Nation, Under God, INDIVISIBLE
So if the US Army were to march into Arizona, seizing property and taking control of the government, you'd welcome them with open arms, happily letting them take anything that you owned?
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:50 AM
 
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Please provide some actual, widespread examples of the above. Another "lost cause" apologist.
I'm not defending the South at all. I am merely pointing out that the Union stooped down to the level of most victors in history. In 2010, there's really no other way to look at their actions as stooping.
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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So if the US Army were to march into Arizona, seizing property and taking control of the government, you'd welcome them with open arms, happily letting them take anything that you owned?
Oh please, making excuses for treason won't change it. I'm retired Army, I live in a town where basically the entire place is nin the military or retired from it. We already see more action from the Federal government than the State. Perhaps that's why unemployment is 4.5% here.
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:52 AM
 
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Oh please, making excuses for treason won't change it. I'm retired Army, I live in a town where basically the entire place is nin the military or retired from it. We already see more action from the Federal government than the State. Perhaps that's why unemployment is 4.5% here.
That's nice, so, the US Army is welcome to invade Arizona and take private citizen's property, and overthrow the government. It's all good with you.
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:53 AM
 
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The major error of the Civil Ware era was ending Reconstruction too soon.
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Both sides were terrorists in one of the most horrible, twisted and bloody wars that america has ever been involved with. The myth is nothing like the real thing was.
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Old 04-13-2010, 08:59 AM
 
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They formed a new America: the Confederate States of America. After the North forced them to rejoin the USA they became U.S. Americans again.
No, it was not a new America, you were still part of the US and we forced you to accept it.

It was not recognized as a nation by any other nation.

You lost, get over it, and we are under no politically correct set of rules to respect secession from the Union.

My, my, the right suddenly goes all politically correct when there is a Dem as POTUS.
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