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Old 04-22-2010, 11:55 AM
 
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Except that the Tea Party members think they are the only members of the group you call "us." Sounds divisive to me. Maybe not racist, but definitely, good ol' us vs. them divisive.
Do you really think that any minority community considers white people as "one of them" and use the term "us"? If you think that, you are ignorant beyond belief. Wasn't it one of your heros, Van Jones, who accused White People of intentionally pouring pollutants into minority communities? Now that is DIVISIVE!
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Old 04-22-2010, 11:57 AM
 
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It is your black and white racist mind that spun that the way you did. That poster was saying OUR country as in EVERYONE'S! Was it really that hard to grasp? Don't you get tired of being such a race baiter and racist?
Denial, rationalization and projection may play well in your shrink's office, but I'm not your shrink, nor a mirror hanging on your wall.

There's a big difference between saying the country and OUR country. I'm sorry you can't tell the difference.
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Old 04-22-2010, 12:00 PM
 
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Do you really think that any minority community considers white people as "one of them" and use the term "us"? If you think that, you are ignorant beyond belief. Wasn't it one of your heros, Van Jones, who accused White People of intentionally pouring pollutants into minority communities? Now that is DIVISIVE!
William F. Buckley is one of my heroes. I couldn't care less about Van Jones. But don't let me stop you from letting your imagination run wild. The more you post, the more you make my point for me. Thanks! You're the best advocate for my position in this thread.
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Old 04-22-2010, 12:00 PM
 
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And when Glen Beck says our president has a deep seated hatred for white people and is applauded for it by many of his following, what are we to think?

When a Tea Party leader has a sign with the word nigg*r, which he later photo shopped out, what are we to think?

When Tea Partiers continue with signs proclaiming Obama to be a Muslim and attesting that this is a Christian nation, what are we to think?

And when people, many right here on this forum, use Obama's full name or simply Hussein Obama and pretend they mean nothing by it, what are we to think?

Then there's Rush. Too many racist comments from him to count. I'll just mention that he has referred to Obama as a Halfrican-American, considering him to be Arab because Obama "the magic negro" is, in Rush's mind, from Kenya. His followers remain loyal.

The number of people on evil white supremacist internet sites, such as Stormfront, has skyrocketed.

Of course, not all conservatives are racists, nor are all Tea Partiers, but there is a STRONG undercurrent that I'm not going to just ignore. No one should ignore it. It's a real problem and to ignore it is to implicitly condone it and allow it to grow stronger.
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Old 04-22-2010, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Say-Town! Texas
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Barack Obama signed credit card legislation consistent with his goal of perpetuating the liberal belief that big business is the devil. Accordingly, the President felt that focusing like a laser on that agenda was more important than deciding not to sign it because of the gun legislation. As a side benefit, he simply HOPED that he'd garner more conservative respect by signing pro-gun legislation. But we all know that tactic has backfired beyond compare. (Not to mention credit card companies flipped him the bird by pre-emptively raising interests rates before the bill took effect).
definitley sounds like a political move to me.

I closed all my credit cards (except for the big one) when that happend. i got several notices for rate hikes. ah well i needed to get rid of that debt anyways, thanks Obama for pushing me to get out of debt, and spend less, exactly opposite of what you told us to do!

guns are already allowed in the state parks here in texas, and you know those wild bambi's. gotta shoot 'em before they lick you!
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Old 04-22-2010, 12:14 PM
 
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definitley sounds like a political move to me.
Yep, from both sides, as most if not all attachments are.

The point is, if Obama were as anti-gun as some claim, he would have vetoed the bill. Claiming that credit card legislation was so pressing that Obama was forced to sign a bill containing something he strongly opposes is nonsense. It's just an excuse to keep false notions floating around in the heads of Obama haters.

If Obama were staunchly anti-gun, he would have sent the bill back to Congress, instructing it to remove the gun attachment. That's not what he did, and many among us cannot reconcile that fact with preconceived beliefs. Hence, the "credit card" excuse, lame as it is.
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Old 04-22-2010, 12:22 PM
 
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Yep, from both sides, as most if not all attachments are.

The point is, if Obama were as anti-gun as some claim, he would have vetoed the bill. Claiming that credit card legislation was so pressing that Obama was forced to sign a bill containing something he strongly opposes is nonsense. It's just an excuse to keep false notions floating around in the heads of Obama haters.

If Obama were staunchly anti-gun, he would have sent the bill back to Congress, instructing it to remove the gun attachment. That's not what he did, and many among us cannot reconcile that fact with preconceived beliefs. Hence, the "credit card" excuse, lame as it is.
The gun legislation was attached because anti-gun Democrats in Congress didn't have the votes to remove it. Had he sent it back, the credit card legislation would have died with it. This is the same tactic being used to deny Washington DC citizens a voting representative in Congress. The voting rights bill is laden with pro-gun legislation that Democrats don't have the votes to remove. So city leaders are on the fence: How bad to we want voting rights? Enough to allow citizens the right to carry handguns?

In other words, there are plenty of pro-gun Democrats in Congress. That's just the way it is. Obama understands that its self-defeating to cut off your nose to spite your face.
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Old 04-22-2010, 12:50 PM
 
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The gun legislation was attached because anti-gun Democrats in Congress didn't have the votes to remove it. Had he sent it back, the credit card legislation would have died with it. This is the same tactic being used to deny Washington DC citizens a voting representative in Congress. The voting rights bill is laden with pro-gun legislation that Democrats don't have the votes to remove. So city leaders are on the fence: How bad to we want voting rights? Enough to allow citizens the right to carry handguns?

In other words, there are plenty of pro-gun Democrats in Congress. That's just the way it is. Obama understands that its self-defeating to cut off your nose to spite your face.
And how exactly does this show Obama to be trying to take our guns away? Sorry, but it doesn't. All it shows is that gun advocates are playing politics, as I noted in my post.

Before you get any wild ideas, I've owned a P38 for over 30 years. I began shooting at about 10 years old. I'm a pretty good shot. I haven't tried in awhile, but I used to be able to empty the clip into a nine inch frying pan at 100 feet with that Walther.

Obama is not trying to take our guns away. That he may have supported localities in restricting firearm usage while an Illinois state senator does not translate to banning guns at the federal level.
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Old 04-22-2010, 02:20 PM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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Anybody who brings race into the fact that Americans are really afraid for our country.
I say it again, OUR country.
They are trying to divide us into black and white and pit us against each other.
They could care less about either one of us.
I want to point out that President Obama is black and white.
This is our country and belongs to all of us, we are all together in this.
To play this race card at this time is shameful and embarrassing.
It is very evident that the democrats are using this to win an election and it is not only an insult to our intelligence but a very lowlife thing to do.
I watched Madison street burn down, is this what they will risk to win?
This is OUR country and Obama is just as much white as he is black.
They have no shame, its all about them.

B-b-but socialism!
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Old 04-22-2010, 04:36 PM
 
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Wow! What do you mean by "OUR?"

Rhetoric (especially the emphasis) such as yours leaves you wide open to claims of being racist.
You know very well what I meant by "our" but you choose to portray it in a negative way because evidently you are one of "them", a lowlife that loves to stir up hate.
Is it so hard for you to include black and white Americans in the word "our"?
This country belongs to "US" and people like you should get on a plane and fly out of it, its evident you do not want to be included in "our", I wish you would leave.
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