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View Poll Results: Do you support Cap & Trade?
Yes 27 25.23%
No 78 72.90%
Not sure 2 1.87%
Voters: 107. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-25-2010, 08:10 AM
 
Location: nj
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All of you are quoting the corporate line as taught to you by whatever your favorite RW sources are.

Look, the corporate polluters have a choice;

They can continue to pollute, and pay more as a result.

They can clean up and avoid the extra cost.

Consider it this way...

The air, the sky, the water and the environment are NOT corporate properties. They're PUBLIC assets. They belong to America, not Monsanto or Dow Chemical. If these corporations are going to use those resources irresponsibly, they should pay. They've had decades to police themselves and they've utterly failed to do so. I firmly believe they should clean up after themselves.

Now they can either clean up, or pay, and I think they should. You guys are spewing every canned argument the corporate machine has tossed out for years.

Why?

What do you owe to corporate interests?
Read the bill stupid tool .
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Old 04-25-2010, 08:15 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Read the bill stupid tool .

Read it to me, please.

I obviously lack your power of analysis.
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Old 04-25-2010, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Texas
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You will have to pay a high tax on all energy , pay more for any car , a fee to inspect your house for energy waste if you sell and so on. We all will pay clean or dirty . Do us all a favor and read the bill . You don't have to be a fool forever .
Since you've read the bill, please post links to the provisions that are making you foam at the mouth.
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Old 04-25-2010, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Between, cap & trade, the 'Buy American' provision in that trade bill which Obama recently signed, the new health-care bill, and the new CAFE standards for autos, Obama is turning into 'Dr. Job-Killer', and 'Obama The Outsourcing Machine'.

The top three lifelines of the Democratic Party (environmentalists/trial lawyers/unions) have killed and/or outsourced hundreds of thousands of jobs over the past few decades.

And they're still at it!!!!
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Old 04-25-2010, 11:19 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Between, cap & trade, the 'Buy American' provision in that trade bill which Obama recently signed, the new health-care bill, and the new CAFE standards for autos, Obama is turning into 'Dr. Job-Killer', and 'Obama The Outsourcing Machine'.

The top three lifelines of the Democratic Party (environmentalists/trial lawyers/unions) have killed and/or outsourced hundreds of thousands of jobs over the past few decades.

And they're still at it!!!!

Please explain how they accomplished that.

http://fixco1.com/bushoutsourcing.html


One of President Bush's top economic advisers sought Thursday to clarify remarks he made earlier in the week

"Now, to get back to the question about outsourcing, I think outsourcing is a growing phenomenon, but it's something that we should realize is probably a plus for the economy in the long run," Mankiw said.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/02/12/bush.outsourcing/
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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To the polluters:

Don't want to pay? Get cleaned up.

Don't want cap and trade? Tough. You had decades to clean yourselves up and you did nothing. When you won't act responsibly, you can expect someone to force you to.

I'm curious, excluding CO2, as a percentage how much do you think the most common air pollutants within the US have increased over the the last 3 decades?
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I am in favor of cap and trade. I wish it was not needed, but unfortunately some business's simply won't act responsible unless they are forced to.
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:29 PM
 
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...but unfortunately some business's simply won't act responsible unless they are forced to.
I'll ask you the same question, how much do you think they increased over the last 3 decades?
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:45 PM
 
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How about this, anyone want to take a guess? I didn't know what it was until I looked it up myself. As evident by your posts you would expect it to be up significantly since then because we are constantly bombarded with the ever increasing pollution problem from the media, so what do you think it is?
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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How about this, anyone want to take a guess? I didn't know what it was until I looked it up myself. As evident by your posts you would expect it to be up significantly since then because we are constantly bombarded with the ever increasing pollution problem from the media, so what do you think it is?
Its down since then, but comparing it to a few decades ago, when you couldn't walk outside without coughing in some parts of the country is just plain silly. Nor does that mean we shouldn't do more.
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