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Old 04-25-2010, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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teach, Obama has not sent one noncivilian to Iran. He really hasn't even set a stance regarding Iran. What would Hilary have done differently?
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Old 04-25-2010, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Invaded Iran.

That is the worst part of our political system. No matter who we elected, our choices were to continue our military (and offensive military operations) in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran et al or to... increase our military operations and expenditures in Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran et al. Some choice.

The national struggle over health care is focused, in part, on cost. I wish my fellow Americans had fought so hard over the cost of our wars of choice in the far East, which have bankrupted us financially and morally.
You haven't looked at what the actuaries of HHS told us the other day have you? Obamscare will cost much more in just a few years than all of the wars of the early years cost. Please don't sleep too much longer.
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Old 04-25-2010, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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We were thinking hey, here's a guy who is everything that Bush wasn't. Smart, sophisticated, capable, competent, quick, adaptive, nuanced, global instead of provincial, and with a pretty good jump shot. As history has so far shown, we were right.
Also, he has a White House full of Chicago based advisers with the two top ones purely Chicago thugs. Emanuel and Axelrod.
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Old 04-25-2010, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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teach, Obama has not sent one noncivilian to Iran. He really hasn't even set a stance regarding Iran. What would Hilary have done differently?
I guess you don't have a National Guard member in Iran as I do. Worse yet, she is 47 and the mother of a nearly 11 year old boy. She was told when she took an extra year in Kuwait that she wouldn't have to go back so she took two successive hitches in Kuwait. Then Obama got elected and off she went. Most National Guard people are civilians.
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Old 04-25-2010, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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Has Obama declared war on Iran? No
Has he done the escalating of hostilities? No
Has any sort of American, noncivilian or civilian, died as a result of Obama's Iranian policies? No
Has he moderately hinted at war with Iran? No
Sometimes you need to get rid of hypothetical scenarios that would be cause to bash the guy and look at actual FACTS
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Old 04-25-2010, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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And change is what you got. Chicago type change, that is. Are you making out pretty well with the change we got? I sure hope that you aren't as satisfied in a couple of years you keep on thinking we got change.
I am doing fine. I did fine under Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan and Carter too. In fact all the way back to Eisenhower! It is not about me. It is about the country and its future direction. We need to move in a different direction to survive and thrive. No more business as usual. No more kicking the can down the road for the next guy. Like Obama or hate him, he is taking care of business.
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Old 04-25-2010, 10:02 PM
 
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Did you get to hear Obama tell another of his campaign lies today? At the memorial for the recent coal mine explosion he extolled the dead miners no end and I couldn't think helping how he let them down when he failed to carry out his campaign promise to break the coal companies. Oh yes, he did say that and all of you know it.
Actually, you seem to be wrong yet again:
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He went on to lay out an ambitious agenda, beginning with targets aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels by 2020. He also reiterated a campaign pledge to invest $15bn each year in the development of clean technology — including "clean" coal and nuclear power.
"This investment will not only help us reduce our dependence on foreign oil, making the United States more secure. And it will not only help us bring about a clean energy future, saving our planet. It will also help us transform our industries and steer our country out of this economic crisis by generating five million new green jobs that pay well and can't be outsourced."
Beck must be telling you to talk about Chicago politics linked to Obama this week.

(I tried to watch one segment to see if I'm right and got inundated with "buy gold" ads. What a joke that guy is - people grow fearful of instability, they buy gold, Beck gets rich. What a great racket).
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Old 04-25-2010, 10:03 PM
 
Location: California
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I was hoping Hillary would take it but I didn't get to vote since I'm not a Dem.
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Old 04-25-2010, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Has Obama declared war on Iran? No
Has he done the escalating of hostilities? No
Has any sort of American, noncivilian or civilian, died as a result of Obama's Iranian policies? No
Has he moderately hinted at war with Iran? No
Sometimes you need to get rid of hypothetical scenarios that would be cause to bash the guy and look at actual FACTS
You don't have to back off by going to killed since my foster daughter is in Afghanistan where they are getting killed. I was amazed at the weapons she has been issued for self-defense even though women aren't supposed to have to fight.
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Old 04-25-2010, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I am doing fine. I did fine under Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan and Carter too. In fact all the way back to Eisenhower! It is not about me. It is about the country and its future direction. We need to move in a different direction to survive and thrive. No more business as usual. No more kicking the can down the road for the next guy. Like Obama or hate him, he is taking care of business.
As long as his business is to create another European style socialist state he is doing very well.
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