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the buck stops with the POTUS. bush was POTUS he was the most powerful man in the free world at the time. he should of made calls to make sure stuff got done, not wait until the mayor asked the governor and so on.
so you wanna nit pick that the media blew things out of proportion? gee people still dies there, lived without food or water for days on end. it was disgraceful. these were americans that needed help and our president lacked the ability to help in any significant manner.
no I do not give bush a failing grade because he was bush, I gave him a failing grade because he failed.
There is a reason why cities have mayors and states have governors. To run disaster relief.
You are ignoring the fact that Bush offered to send in aid 24 hours before Katrina made landfall. It was refused.
Stop blaming Bush! Is it Bush's fault that many people who were told to evacuate chose to stay?
Actually President Obama had the Coast Guard moving within 24 hours of the blow out, had his cabinet reporting on it within 48 and has been on top the situation since it occurred. As opposed to GWB who had to be FORCED by his aides to sit down and watch the video out of New Orleans before he would face up to what was happening.
Yes he has increased NASA's budget too. Not programs, though. They are looking for ways to spend the money, but a lot of it going to paint, as every bit of steel at the Cape is getting repainted. No programs, but lots of paint.
There is a reason why cities have mayors and states have governors. To run disaster relief.
You are ignoring the fact that Bush offered to send in aid 24 hours before Katrina made landfall. It was refused.
Stop blaming Bush! Is it Bush's fault that many people who were told to evacuate chose to stay?
They still blame bush for everything. The man has been gone for awhile now and they still blame him. Gas prices are getting high again. but I suppose it is Bush's fault as always!!!!!!! By the way where are those shovel ready jobs that were promised????? I guess that is Bush's fault to
and we still had people in the dome without food and water. bush failed at katrina big time, no way around that no matter what he did manage to do, he still gets a failing grade
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Originally Posted by OhBeeHave Forgive me if I am wrong, but the people of New Orleans had notice that a hurricane was approaching and were asked to evacuate. Many chose NOT to leave. I guess it's Bush's fault that they disregarded evacuation warnings?
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Originally Posted by hothulamaui
yes all the sick and old people in nursing homes should have just got in their cars and drove away. just because there were a few who could leave that didn't doesn't mean there were many that couldn't leave. any army commander could of handled the aftermath a lot better than bush did.
People with any shred of common sense leave during an evacuation. If people chose to stay behind to ride out the storm, to prevent their homes from being looted -- that's ridiculous. If their health problems caused them to remain behind, it's sad and my heart goes out to them. President Bush could have been on the streets in an effort to get able-bodied people to evacuate PRIOR to the Katrina's landfall and if they wanted to stay, they still would have remained.
Hurricane Katrina CRISIS "The United States’ public health system is a key line of defense in emergencies such as infectious disease outbreaks and natural disasters. The system’s success, however, critically depends on the public’s willingness to cooperate and comply with emergency mandates. For example, the public might be called upon to engage in difficult tasks such as evacuation and separation from family and friends until a crisis has subsided. When individuals or groups fail to cooperate, history demonstrates they face disproportionate mortality and morbidity."
"Psychosocial functioning (riding out previous hurricanes, optimism of outcome, confidence, religious beliefs, and hurricane impact perceptions) were the most common reasons for not evacuating. Financial factors (liquid resources/ready cash for travel) and community network factors (racism experienced in accessing publicly provided transportation for evacuation, neighborhood crime/looting concerns) were also recurrent reasons for not evacuating. Implications of extended families (disabled and chronically ill older persons inhibiting evacuation, opinions of older adults) and historic government-citizen relationships (perceived racism, racial concordance of government officials and citizens, and communication skills) were also significant factors in not evacuating."
Whether there was a Republican or a Democrat in the White House, that President would have faced the same problems.
Could Bush have gotten in there sooner? Yes. Could Bush have prevented so many able-bodied people from not evacuating? No.
For years prior to the Katrina disaster there have been warnings that New Orleans would be vulnerable to flooding. Previous administrations, local government, etc., failed to act on it.
There is a reason why cities have mayors and states have governors. To run disaster relief.
Then what was FEMA doing crawling all over Florida in 2004 from the first moment the first of four hurricanes struck there handing out federal checks. Especially along the politically sensitive I-4 corridor, even though very little damage actually occurred there. Why didn't Brother Jeb and the mayors take care of things there? How was FEMA able to go from being so timely and effective in 2004 to being such a complete disaster in 2005?
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Originally Posted by Fleet
You are ignoring the fact that Bush offered to send in aid 24 hours before Katrina made landfall. It was refused.
No such events occurred. Whether you authored it or merely bought it, this is a flat out lie.
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Originally Posted by Fleet
Stop blaming Bush! Is it Bush's fault that many people who were told to evacuate chose to stay?
From the Hurricane Pam exercise conducted in the summer of 2004 and from follow-on studies that were done by the contractor preparing the revised Disaster Plan, it was known that there were at least 100,000 residents of New Orleans who would have NO ACCESS to individual transportation in the event of an evacuation order. The Disaster Plan called for FEMA to supply buses and for Amtrak to run trains to take such people out of the city. Neither one showed up.
That is inaccurate. Pres. Bush offered to send in aid 24 hours before Katrina made landfall.
And as I posted before:
The response to Hurricane Katrina was by far the largest- and fastest- rescue effort in U.S. history, with nearly 100,000 emergency personnel arriving on the scene within 3 days of landfall.
Dozens of National Guard and Coast Guard helicopters flew rescue operations that first day- some just 2 hours after Katrina hit the coast. Hoistless Army helicopters improvised rescues, carefully hovering over rooftopss to pick up survivors. On the ground, guardsmen had to chop their way through, moving trees and recreating roadways.
By the end of the week, 50,000 National Guard troops in the Gulf Coast region had saved 17,000 people and 4,000 Coast Guard personnel saved more than 33,000.
You are absolutely right about this. Also don't forget the Mayor of New Orleans begging people to evacuate. They choose to stay!!! Than expect the government to take care of them. Go figure
You are absolutely right about this. Also don't forget the Mayor of New Orleans begging people to evacuate. They choose to stay!!! Than expect the government to take care of them. Go figure
you have blinders on and no compassion for others with less resources than you.
to quote saganista...
From the Hurricane Pam exercise conducted in the summer of 2004 and from follow-on studies that were done by the contractor preparing the revised Disaster Plan, it was known that there were at least 100,000 residents of New Orleans who would have NO ACCESS to individual transportation in the event of an evacuation order. The Disaster Plan called for FEMA to supply buses and for Amtrak to run trains to take such people out of the city. Neither one showed up.
Then what was FEMA doing crawling all over Florida in 2004 from the first moment the first of four hurricanes struck there handing out federal checks. Especially along the politically sensitive I-4 corridor, even though very little damage actually occurred there. Why didn't Brother Jeb and the mayors take care of things there? How was FEMA able to go from being so timely and effective in 2004 to being such a complete disaster in 2005?
No such events occurred. Whether you authored it or merely bought it, this is a flat out lie.
From the Hurricane Pam exercise conducted in the summer of 2004 and from follow-on studies that were done by the contractor preparing the revised Disaster Plan, it was known that there were at least 100,000 residents of New Orleans who would have NO ACCESS to individual transportation in the event of an evacuation order. The Disaster Plan called for FEMA to supply buses and for Amtrak to run trains to take such people out of the city. Neither one showed up.
You are ignoring the fact that the mayor and governor of a city & state are primarily responsible for emergencies.
And it's no lie; Bush did offer to send in aid 24 hours before Katrina made landfall; it was not accepted.
[quote=Fleet;13992430]That is what states and cities have a mayor and a governor. Trying to blame it all on Bush is ridiculous.
Governor blanco
Mayor nagan
Both were DEMOCRATS!!!!!
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