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This is actually a pretty good question, and its one that I havent thought about before now: If pregnancy, abortion rights, and childbearing are all about a woman's body and her entitlement to fully control her body, then it WOULD make more sense that she be the one who gets sterilized if she doesnt want children. Sure abortion is a viable post ex facto measure. But in terms of prevention and ensuring that her body isnt subjected to childbearing as a consequence of her actions, I submit that sterilization would make more sense for her - that is, if it is all about being in control of one's own body.
The only reason I can see it suggested otherwise is that because it is believed that MOST women want to have children and be mothers. And if she got sterilized because she wanted to have sex with a man who did NOT want children, then that would preclude her from EVER having children.
All she would have to do is deny sex to any man until they were legally married. That way, men who are only in it for the sex would either look elsewhere, or change their view.
The only reason I can see it suggested otherwise is that because it is believed that MOST women want to have children and be mothers. And if she got sterilized because she wanted to have sex with a man who did NOT want children, then that would preclude her from EVER having children.
All she would have to do is deny sex to any man until they were legally married. That way, men who are only in it for the sex would either look elsewhere, or change their view.
Not true. There are shots, and procedures that are almost 100% effective, that you can also reverse.
Not true. There are shots, and procedures that are almost 100% effective, that you can also reverse.
I wouldn't know, I don't pay much attention to the birth control methods available to women--not being one. I simply seek out women who neither have or want children.
It wouldn't matter, since there are ways to ensure that kids don't happen--even if it means going to the burlap sack and the river. Or one could induce a miscarriage. But I'm always clear about NOT wanting kids, and women who do not want kids should be comfortable with not having them.
People act like having kids is almost a passage to sainthood--and it's not.
My POINT was about making choices, people have free will, and if they fail to make appropriate choices, that's where the problems start. But it IS their free choice, and the blame is on the person who chooses--no one else.
I'm not interested in porn--I'm not even too interested in sex.
This thread has postulated a great deal of absurdity. I've listened to males complaining that they can't get an abortion. They're not faced with the same consequences as women because of biology. Women who know they aren't motherhood material are good candidates for sterilization too, it is equal, and I do agree. Those who are less than convinced of either gender are running a risk. The horse being out of the barn for males happens when they ejaculate. Just because methods have arrived that gives women another chance to make a choice doesn't make it preferred or something to envy. That's bizarre to even consider.
You're asking me to explain a % of the population who engage in risky behavior. I'm not one of them so I can't say I understand them well. I observe an aspect of them-- a vague passive aggression that makes them believe in some fairy tale conclusion. Getting pregnant, or impregnating a woman, will somehow result in solidifying a relationship that was too weak to stand on it's own. Young girls are being taught by their mothers that 'landing a man' is an appropriate aspiration. "God" wants it that way. I wasn't raised that way and why should all who disagree with that mentality be forced into their voluntary conclusion?
Birth control... it's a double edged sword. It's given permission for people to engage in casual sex with the mistaken belief there's no consequence. Aside from unwanted pregnancies, it's been harmful to relationships. I understand why conservatives mean to block birth control, but I believe their energy would be better spent educating people about what a healthy relationship looks like rather than force everyone into unhealthy ones as punishment. If they were truly committed to reducing the numbers of abortions, they'd drop the opposition to birth control.
The entire argument presented from male perspective is the resentment of child support. I have no sympathy. Child support is the LEAST you can give. Males not wanting the responsibility of bringing a child into the world are free to get a vasectomy. They've had their cake for generations and made a colossal joke out of families. Women have never had the option to run away, and even with abortion, they still don't. No matter what, the decision is inextricably locked into their body. That's reality. Don't want to be trapped by some smarmy female deliberately getting pregnant; the choice for males is clear. I believe you're correct to assume most women do want to be mothers at some point. The terms and conditions being too untenable, they decline.
Not true. There are shots, and procedures that are almost 100% effective, that you can also reverse.
Vasectomies are far more economical and easier to reverse with few adverse consequences. Female sterilization being reversed doesn't have the same track record and is more expensive, more invasive, and less desirable for numerous reasons. Depending on method, hormonal imbalances have been known ill consequence. Birth control pills also have pretty steep side effects relative to a condom.
Y'all are vacillating wildly to avoid any and all responsibility. So much for free will and so-called rights.
... how come single moms are blamed for everything and not the fathers? ...
Because (multiple choice)
a. Men control the media and control what points of view you hear.
b. Men control the churches and control who gets the painted with the scarlet letter.
c. Men are too ignorant to care about the harm they cause.
d. Men have much bigger mouths and can shout the loudest.
e. All of the above.
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This thread has postulated a great deal of absurdity. I've listened to males complaining that they can't get an abortion. They're not faced with the same consequences as women because of biology. Women who know they aren't motherhood material are good candidates for sterilization too, it is equal, and I do agree. Those who are less than convinced of either gender are running a risk. The horse being out of the barn for males happens when they ejaculate. Just because methods have arrived that gives women another chance to make a choice doesn't make it preferred or something to envy. That's bizarre to even consider.
You're asking me to explain a % of the population who engage in risky behavior. I'm not one of them so I can't say I understand them well. I observe an aspect of them-- a vague passive aggression that makes them believe in some fairy tale conclusion. Getting pregnant, or impregnating a woman, will somehow result in solidifying a relationship that was too weak to stand on it's own. Young girls are being taught by their mothers that 'landing a man' is an appropriate aspiration. "God" wants it that way. I wasn't raised that way and why should all who disagree with that mentality be forced into their voluntary conclusion?
Birth control... it's a double edged sword. It's given permission for people to engage in casual sex with the mistaken belief there's no consequence. Aside from unwanted pregnancies, it's been harmful to relationships. I understand why conservatives mean to block birth control, but I believe their energy would be better spent educating people about what a healthy relationship looks like rather than force everyone into unhealthy ones as punishment. If they were truly committed to reducing the numbers of abortions, they'd drop the opposition to birth control.
The entire argument presented from male perspective is the resentment of child support. I have no sympathy. Child support is the LEAST you can give. Males not wanting the responsibility of bringing a child into the world are free to get a vasectomy. They've had their cake for generations and made a colossal joke out of families. Women have never had the option to run away, and even with abortion, they still don't. No matter what, the decision is inextricably locked into their body. That's reality. Don't want to be trapped by some smarmy female deliberately getting pregnant; the choice for males is clear. I believe you're correct to assume most women do want to be mothers at some point. The terms and conditions being too untenable, they decline.
Child support isn't an issue I'm interested in--because I'm interested in making sure that there IS no child to pay support for.
Newsflash!!! Women love to play the victim. They love it!
A hardworking single mother may be just that...a hardworking single mother.
But I've worked in family law long enough to know that women lie. And they are master manipulators. You know how many "poor single mothers" are pulling in thousands of dollars in child support every month? Guess what they tell their children..."your daddy doesn't pay child support". Guess what they tell their church? "my ex-husband doesn't pay child support". Guess what the poor single mothers family believes...yep. That she isn't getting a dime in support.
Meanwhile, daddy is paying thousands of dollars in support. He is often kept from seeing his children by that "poor single mother". And his kids truly believe that their father is a deadbeat.
"Poor single mommy" gets money from her ex, her church, her parents, her neighbors.... Sounds like a pretty sweet deal to me.
It's not rare. I've seen it over and over and over again. And before you jump down my throat. I am female. And I spent seven years as a single mother. For the first six months, I didn't get a dime of child support.
Women will continue to be victimized as long as they continue to enjoy the role so very, very much.
The entire argument presented from male perspective is the resentment of child support. I have no sympathy. Child support is the LEAST you can give. Males not wanting the responsibility of bringing a child into the world are free to get a vasectomy. They've had their cake for generations and made a colossal joke out of families. Women have never had the option to run away, and even with abortion, they still don't. No matter what, the decision is inextricably locked into their body. That's reality. Don't want to be trapped by some smarmy female deliberately getting pregnant; the choice for males is clear. I believe you're correct to assume most women do want to be mothers at some point. The terms and conditions being too untenable, they decline.
I've heard of mothers abandoning their children before. I've even heard of mothers that murdered their children. And I'm not talking within weeks of their birth, I'm talking about years later. Let's not say that only males can make THAT choice, have THAT option.
I've heard of mothers abandoning their children before. I've even heard of mothers that murdered their children. And I'm not talking within weeks of their birth, I'm talking about years later. Let's not say that only males can make THAT choice, have THAT option.
You're still grasping at straws, still denying males are responsible for anything in what IS a patriarchal society.
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