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Old 05-20-2010, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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apples to oranges

I can't chose my electrical supplier
I can't choose my telephone provider ( land line)

I can choose which seeds I buy cuz there are a lot of non GMO seed still on the market.

Maybe we should get mad at that " evil" Case-IH and John Deere and blame them cuz we can't buy Minneapolis Moline, Massey Harris, Cockshutt,Oliver, Allis Chalmers, tractors anymore.
Actually no, I posted stats earlier. The majority of seeds are from Monsanto now.
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Old 05-20-2010, 12:59 PM
 
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You do.

Or, at least I do. (Although I haven't heard that about Bayer.
i don't. i never hear a peep about any company involved in GMOs except monsanto. big, bad, terrible monsanto

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Because they keep changing their name but mostly operate in Europe.
Most Americans hear "Bayer" and just think aspirin.

I'd also keep an eye out on Eli Lily. They are not only drugs.
Monsanto sold their cow hormone rights to Eli Lily who will market it as they have an animal health sector.
bayer/aventis has a very large presence in the US as do syngenta and BASF, altho i agree with you on the name changing bit.

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I just heard that Monsanto's is working on an aluminum resistant seed. Now why do we need to do that? Because they have been raining down aluminum on us for years. They are contaminating us and the soil.
aluminum foil hat time?

aluminum is present naturally at levels that are toxic to plants. researchers at cornell - not monsanto - have found a naturally occuring gene that they plan to introduce into crop plants to overcome this.

what's wrong with that?
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Old 05-20-2010, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Northern Wi
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I'm aware that there is natural levels---Do some research about it before you defend a cause.
Have you tested rain water to see if after a spraying that aluminum isn't present? Have you done a soil sample? Do that and bring back your results. Check for barium too. I'm working on mine to share with the thousands who have tested. Their's have ALL come back with dangerously high levels of aluminum and barium.
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Old 05-20-2010, 02:05 PM
 
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Actually no, I posted stats earlier. The majority of seeds are from Monsanto now.


What's the big deal if the majority of seeds available are from Monsanto?

The majority of tractor sales in the US going back 60 years has been John Deere and IH.

( but one could still buy the other ones)

Are people accusing Case-IH and John Deere of being " evil" ?

Nope !

Intelligent people would say those other brands fell by the way side cuz farmers perferred IH and John Deere.

I have no trouble obtaining GMO seed if I want to.


What I see happening is companies who can't compete they trying to ban the company that took their customers away.
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Old 05-20-2010, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What's the big deal if the majority of seeds available are from Monsanto?

The majority of tractor sales in the US going back 60 years has been John Deere and IH.

( but one could still buy the other ones)

Are people accusing Case-IH and John Deere of being " evil" ?

Nope !

Intelligent people would say those other brands fell by the way side cuz farmers perferred IH and John Deere.

I have no trouble obtaining GMO seed if I want to.


What I see happening is companies who can't compete they trying to ban the company that took their customers away.
Ok so we agree to disagree. You like your GMO seed and Monsanto will be there for a long time to serve you.

I prefer the choice but sadly it's not there for me anymore.
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Old 05-20-2010, 03:06 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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What's the big deal if the majority of seeds available are from Monsanto?

I have no trouble obtaining GMO seed if I want to.


What I see happening is companies who can't compete they trying to ban the company that took their customers away.
You're missing the bigger picture here...if we allow Monsanto to continue on this path of monopolizing seeds, organic farming will NOT be a choice, and we will all be stuck with chemical and pesticide-ridden food. It's all about profit...these seeds yield only one crop, which means farmers have to keep buying seeds. Farmers are being forced to use round-up pesticides, which means their seeds must be "round-up ready" or nothing will grow...does this sound like CHOICE to you? These chemicals destroy life in the soil itself, making it "barren"...no nutrients...aren't you even remotely concerned about what these powerful chemicals are doing to your body? Are you aware that Monsanto also wants to ban people from growing certain medicinal herbs and plants in their own backyard? Plants that can heal holistically? WHY? Because they are a chemical company, they stand to gain enormous profits by plaguing us with chemicals, making us sick, and making sure we won't have the legal power to heal ourselves naturally so we will have to turn to chemical medications to counter all the diseases their nasty chemicals will cause.
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Old 05-20-2010, 03:08 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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According to wiki, they employ 21,700 people (2009). That's a lot to throw out of work.
I don't give a rat's a** how many people it puts out of work...they certainly don't care about how many farmers they put out of business or how many people get sick because of what they're doing!
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Old 05-20-2010, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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You're missing the bigger picture here...if we allow Monsanto to continue on this path of monopolizing seeds, organic farming will NOT be a choice, and we will all be stuck with chemical and pesticide-ridden food. It's all about profit...these seeds yield only one crop, which means farmers have to keep buying seeds. Farmers are being forced to use round-up pesticides, which means their seeds must be "round-up ready" or nothing will grow...does this sound like CHOICE to you? These chemicals destroy life in the soil itself, making it "barren"...no nutrients...aren't you even remotely concerned about what these powerful chemicals are doing to your body? Are you aware that Monsanto also wants to ban people from growing certain medicinal herbs and plants in their own backyard? Plants that can heal holistically? WHY? Because they are a chemical company, they stand to gain enormous profits by plaguing us with chemicals, making us sick, and making sure we won't have the legal power to heal ourselves naturally so we will have to turn to chemical medications to counter all the diseases their nasty chemicals will cause.
There are many pro big-ag fans out there.
You see some posts on the Rural subforum here.
Also on Hobby Farms and other small holder forums.
Big Ag doesn't like the small guy.
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Old 05-20-2010, 03:15 PM
 
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I'm aware that there is natural levels---Do some research about it before you defend a cause.
Have you tested rain water to see if after a spraying that aluminum isn't present? Have you done a soil sample? Do that and bring back your results. Check for barium too. I'm working on mine to share with the thousands who have tested. Their's have ALL come back with dangerously high levels of aluminum and barium.
where is your evidence for aluminum in rainwater?

if you found what you believe to be dangerously high levels of barium and aluminum in soil, how do you know those same levels weren't present years ago?

and did you notice that monsanto had nothing at all to do with any of this?
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Old 05-20-2010, 03:23 PM
 
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You're missing the bigger picture here...if we allow Monsanto to continue on this path of monopolizing seeds, organic farming will NOT be a choice, and we will all be stuck with chemical and pesticide-ridden food.
how are monsanto and other companies going to do away with organic farming?

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It's all about profit...these seeds yield only one crop, which means farmers have to keep buying seeds.
the solution is simple: don't buy GMO or patented seeds. problem solved!

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Farmers are being forced to use round-up pesticides, which means their seeds must be "round-up ready" or nothing will grow...does this sound like CHOICE to you?
no one is being forced to use roundup
link please.

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These chemicals destroy life in the soil itself, making it "barren"...no nutrients...
roundup magically removes nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, and micronutrients from soil? wait, no it doesn't. nor does it kill soil microorganisms.

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Are you aware that Monsanto also wants to ban people from growing certain medicinal herbs and plants in their own backyard?
i certainly was not aware of this. link?

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Plants that can heal holistically? WHY? Because they are a chemical company, they stand to gain enormous profits by plaguing us with chemicals, making us sick, and making sure we won't have the legal power to heal ourselves naturally so we will have to turn to chemical medications to counter all the diseases their nasty chemicals will cause
oh good grief
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