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Yes, it should be mandatory. 69 30.13%
No, it shouldn't. 157 68.56%
I don't know 3 1.31%
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Old 05-21-2010, 06:20 PM
 
Location: NEPA
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Will someone please write the reason that an American citizen would have to object?

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands.
One nation under God with liberty and justice for all.

I know they took out the part saying we are under God but I will never take that part out because I believe that is the best part.
After the atheist got through with this?
What are the other objections?
Are we afraid to offend someone?
If so, why?
Just wondering.
I'm pretty sick of all of a sudden we've become a country of "oh let's not offend this one or that one. How is saying the pledge of allegiance with "under god" in it offending someone? I can only remember "under god" being in there since i was in kindergarten. I have no answer as to why we are afraid to offend people, i know i'm not. This is American, my home and i'm proud to say it. I think we need to get over the fear of offending people where this country is concerned. If they don't like it, let them leave.
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Old 05-21-2010, 06:21 PM
 
Location: NEPA
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There is no liberty or justice for all.
Yea,there is, all the illegals
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Old 05-21-2010, 06:26 PM
 
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I even now think that all workplaces should have it too, and make it mandatory to say.
Didn't catch this beaut - that wouldn't be out of place in North Korea, but in the First World? Never.

A country with mandatory loyalty pledges wouldn't be worthy of anyone's allegiance. Allegiance, like respect, is earned. Let the country act in a manner that inspires it, and people will act accordingly. Forced loyalty is no loyalty at all.
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Old 05-21-2010, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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Didn't catch this beaut - that wouldn't be out of place in North Korea, but in the First World? Never.

A country with mandatory loyalty pledges wouldn't be worthy of anyone's allegiance. Allegiance, like respect, is earned. Let the country act in a manner that inspires it, and people will act accordingly. Forced loyalty is no loyalty at all.
Then don't act as if you need to be forced to pledge allegiance. You're not, you know. Keep your pie-hole shut if that turns you on.

You ought to be grateful for having been born here and having the right to speak out or not, as you wish. But gratitude comes hard to some people. They're too busy singing the one note they know: me---me----me......
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Old 05-21-2010, 06:39 PM
 
Location: Northeast Ohio
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Of course not, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose? Does anyone see that irony? It's a symbol of freedom of choices & the rights of mankind to do whatever we choose as long as its not hurting anybody, think however we want, say or print whatever we want about whoever we want... and yet, you're telling somebody that they must stand for the flag or face punishment, which is the symbol of all of the above? huh?

Although I suppose it all boils down to people who, for whatever reason, see teenagers as a menace to society rather than as young adults who are still maturing. There are some 14 year olds that I would trust to manage my finances.

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You ought to be grateful for having been born here and having the right to speak out or not, as you wish. But gratitude comes hard to some people. They're too busy singing the one note they know: me---me----me......
I'd rather be an American choosing to say "me-me-me" than a North Korean who has no choice other than to say "we-we-we".

It reminds me of when my parents used to make me apologize for hitting my brother. I said it, but I sure as hell didn't mean it so... what was the point? The answer is, to make my brother feel better. It's the same principal with this but more grown-up. Some people can't handle the idea that others hold unpopular viewpoints and have the right to express them.
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Old 05-21-2010, 06:42 PM
 
Location: The Midwest
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More times than not, it turns out to be how the parents feel about it, not the kids.
See, that's the sad part. Kids just can't think for themselves today. They're brainwashed into thinking that their parents way is the right way.

If a parent made a request for the kid to not say the Pledge of Allegiance, I'd ignore it. The kid should be able to speak for himself if he really has a problem with it.
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Old 05-21-2010, 06:44 PM
 
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No it shouldn't be. I don't pledge allegiance to anything by force.
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Old 05-21-2010, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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Saying the Pledge does not prove your patriotism. Especially for children or nonconformists who have other things on their mind.

I think it's a testament to this nation's special quality that there are so many patriotic citizens who choose not to splash the world with empty shows of patriotism, but actually show it by living according to a set of principles.
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Old 05-21-2010, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I don't think it should be mandatory as it reminds me too much of fascism of the Democrats and Leftists. However, I think our kids saying the Pledge every once in awhile wouldn't hurt.
What are you thinking?

Democrats would be the ones against the Pledge Of Allegiance! What a horrible analogy.

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Agreed and remember it was written by socialist.
A Christian Socialist, not quite the same thing.
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Old 05-21-2010, 06:48 PM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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Ok..I went back and read the OP again.
Yes, I think it should be mandatory in schools, first thing everyday.
But I don't think you should be made to "say" it; stand quietly then.

Once you're out of school do what you want. K-12 is for learning and the pledge is part of the learning.
Every morning at our high school it's the national anthem followed by the Pledge of Allegiance and pledge to the Texas flag. Everyone stops, even outside the school, until its over. You can't make people recite it but everyone should respect it. It's a statement and respect for American ideals - whether or not we always live up to them. As non-religious person I have no problems saying "under God". IMHO not saying those 2 words is disrespectful of the whole.

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastor...1/05-17257.pdf
Newdow vs Rio Linda Union School District
The plaintiffs and the dissent focus solely on the words “under God” in isolation, stripped of all context and history. Plaintiffs and the dissent even go so far as to disregard the plain text of the preamble to 4 U.S.C. § 4 which sets forth that Congress had two primary purposes in including the phrase “one nation under God” in the Pledge: (1) to underscore the political philosophy of the Founding Fathers that God granted certain inalienable rights to the people which the government cannot take away; and (2) to add the note of importance which a Pledge to our Nation ought to have and which ceremonial references to God invoke...
.....we find the Pledge is one of allegiance to our Republic, not of allegiance to the God or to any religion. Furthermore, Congress’ ostensible and predominant
purpose when it enacted and amended the Pledge over time was patriotic, not religious.
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