04-15-2018, 06:19 AM
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From Treasure Coast newspapers editorial:
"It now seems inevitable that Brightline trains, which have been running between Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach since January, will eventually travel through our region on their way to Orlando.
"However, opponents can claim a small victory — one that just might have large implications. A provision inserted in the state budget requires a state agency to study rail operations in Florida."
Read the entire editorial:
https://www.tcpalm.com/story/opinion...iew/510192002/
08-13-2018, 07:22 PM
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Brightline is happening with or without the Treasure Coast.. Service is booming in South Florida and the Orlando extension is about to break ground.. Hopefully this will be a learning experience for the Treasure Coast, I guess it takes bad decisions to teach a lesson, if they would have supported the project from the get go maybe a station would have been considered in this area, now the trains will zoom by as if this area as if it never existed..
08-14-2018, 07:56 AM
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Service is "booming?"
08-14-2018, 01:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
marmsd1
What will happen to capacity as they add additional trains each day? Is there untapped incremental ridership waiting to be unleashed?
Seeing the amount of buses traveling daily to and from Miami and Orlando you can see that there is a demand of ridership. Just check the websites of
Mega Bus ,
Jet Set Express ,
Red Coach USA ,
GMG Transport , and
Grey Hound you can see there is a huge demand that is keeping these companies in business. I am sure it will be hard to compete with the train service if a comparable rate is offered once
Brightline expands.
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08-14-2018, 01:42 PM
Location: Howard County, Maryland
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I think that Brightline would be far more successful if they add two stations, one in Port St. Lucie and the other in Melbourne. (Assuming they're still planning on having the alignment go up to Melbourne and then curve west to Orlando, instead of following a more direct path.) The small amount of additional time required to stop and board passengers at those stations would be more than made up for by the increased ridership that they would generate -- especially since alternative forms of transportation in those two cities are pretty limited.
08-14-2018, 06:10 PM
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A stop in the Treasure Coast and the Space Coast would be ideal but I think those stops if added will be after the completion of the Orlando station. The Treasure Coast stop would likely be in Fort Pierce do the reasons I posted awhile back here:
//www.city-data.com/forum/port-...station-3.html
08-14-2018, 06:12 PM
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Quote:
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marmsd1
Service is "booming?"
Yes the service is in fact booming, ridership numbers for the first quarter of operation were already released and the numbers
EXCEEDED expectations, why do you think they are adding trains??? Not to mention have you even personally ridden the trains? How can you criticize a service that you have not even used?
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marmsd1
It's difficult to refute some of the constructive criticism that surrounds the (public) funding questions related to Brightline. (And safety...and quality of life...) Not a lot of good answers coming from either the Mexican company that owns the tracks or the Japanese company that runs the trains.
Umm, speaking of "making things up" as you say.. Mexican company? The rail line is actually owned by
Florida East Coast Railway
Japanese company? Brightline is actually owned by
Florida East Coast Industries which is headquartered in CORAL GABLES, FLORIDA.
08-15-2018, 07:23 AM
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MrKnight
Yes the service is in fact booming, ridership numbers for the first quarter of operation were already released and the numbers
EXCEEDED expectations, why do you think they are adding trains??? Not to mention have you even personally ridden the trains? How can you criticize a service that you have not even used?
I have used it. Very nice. Rather expensive (esp when combining with subsequent trans from station) for regular use. Commuters with expense accounts/reimbursement are the obvious core customer.
Ridership is up. But from what? When you triple your ridership from near empty trains, it is what it is. And without incremental riders, new trains will only serve to decrease the average rider count per train...
I criticize because of the valid concerns. Funding. Public funds for development and safety improvements. Etc.
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MrKnight
Who owns those companies?
08-15-2018, 06:49 PM
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Quote:
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marmsd1
I have used it. Very nice. Rather expensive (esp when combining with subsequent trans from station) for regular use. Commuters with expense accounts/reimbursement are the obvious core customer.
The price point is actually very reasonable considering the quality of service/product provided and convenience of having your commute time cut in HALF and not having to deal with South Florida traffic, gas expense, vehicle maintenance, roadwork, tolls, etc... I have seen promotional fares run as low as $10 each way in their standard seats, and their premium seats only run about $5-10 more and include a private waiting lounge and free alcoholic beverages/snacks which pretty much pays itself.. Their pricing structure is based on supply and demand as it should be in any business..
As far as getting to the stations, parking at the on-site parking garages that directly attaches to the stations only run at about $6 overnight/daily, or you can just take a quick Uber/Lyft ride to/from your final destination, once again very reasonable.. Once again I have done it before on multiple occasions and it is always worth it..
It has already been well established that this is a privately funded and privately operated service. Your "concerns" appear to be more-so driven by the fact that you dislike the concept and don't believe in alternative methods of transportation, this is very apparent from your responses..
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marmsd1
Who owns those companies?
Wow we are really getting rather technical here are we? So once again, BOTH companies are headquartered and operated in the US, they are US-based companies regardless of where their investors are based.. So let's say that a foreign investor (such as the Japanese or Mexican investors that you mention) decide to
INVEST in a US-based company with US-based assets for the improvement of US infrastructure, you are telling me this is a bad thing?? Would you rather that money stay OUTSIDE of the US?? Why would we not WANT foreign investors to invest in our country??
08-16-2018, 04:52 AM
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I am probably being a bit dim here but when the trains come through the Treasure Coast places like Stuart, Walton Road and where it crosses Highway 1 near Fort Pierce (my local areas, I know there are plenty more crossings) will the barriers be upgraded etc? I cant imagine a lot of trains hurtling through these areas at 100mph+.
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Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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