Portland: Is the hype dying down? (sales, how much, find a job)
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My personal opinion is that, its like caring for the indigent elderly, or the mentally ill (or homeless mentally ill indigent elderly people, which is a segment that is rapidly growing here in portland)-
its a cost society as a whole should foot-
and helps keep crime down
the suspect would have almost certainly been homeless if not for family, who clearly, ultimately couldn't handle him-
and note that he went on to stab a completely random stranger at the one grocery store in town-
left unchecked you get crime, and the situations people are complaining about,
better that they are cared for and housed- thats what happens after this-
no more camps people would get housed and be put out of the public eye (not just jails, which just makes folks worse, and more hardened).
I think theres that new initiative that mandates rehab treatment in Portland right?
Maybe we should see how that works as its fairly new....
But, thats my opinion...
Something needs to be done, and jailing people and railing against their character flaws, isn't working....
oops sorry to digress, this should be in the homeless thread- feel free to move it? or should I move it?
I guess its relevant if one thinks that the increases in homelessness, crime is contributing to the "hype" dying down, but I am not sure that it is....
Yeah, but you're saying "society as a whole" instead of just tax "the rich."
Yes, I heard about the issue in Estacada, but not sure how providing this guy housing and food would have prevented it, except maybe he wouldn't have been living with his parents, idk. He was on some sort of program, from what I recall, and was probably eligible for subsidized housing.
People can't be forced into rehab and treatment...if providing housing was contingent on these things, I'm not sure it would have any significant impact.
my question was how much better would it be if housing were built for them that they just proceeded to turn into high-crime slums? It would get them off the street, I suppose. And then there's the fact that they can't exactly be forced into housing, so then it's back to making city and county regulations that essentially force them out of the camps.
Let's say you took a cross section of Portland's homeless and gave them all apartments in the same building -- how long would that building be a safe place for any but the strongest? Would it then be staffed to keep order and to keep the more vulnerable residents safe? In a city which actually DOES have a labor shortage, you'd then end up with a revolving door of unskilled people trying to do social work and probably failing pretty miserably. Could end up with a situation worse than a jail. And unless these people are provided with free drugs and alcohol, everything that goes along with that lifestyle is still going to be part of the picture.
It's just not as simple as taxing "the rich."
My personal opinion is that there is no answer; the situation is just another piece of the sixth extinction puzzle.
Last edited by Metlakatla; 05-18-2017 at 08:31 PM..
I get why very wealthy people abhor progressive tax systems. I don't get why the rest of us do. One of the richest men ever has leveraged his wealth to position his regular income outside of any taxation beyond the 3% minimum mandated by law, to capture 'some' tax revenue from people just like him. That still lets millions... millions of dollars of tax revenue waltz right by society every year. And it has been going on for 20 years. And there are thousands like him. And we quibble about the amount it would take to set some things right in Portland. Is that not the definition of 'surreal'?
Agreed. By the time someone is living under a tarpaulin with two or three shopping carts piled high with detritus it is going to be tough getting them to adapt to sheltered living. This is a problem. A problem we created by looking the other way while very wealthy people like the person described in the previous paragraph, withheld vital revenue, that could have educated this persons parents, or provided them with enough wherewithal so this person did not wind up used by the U.S. military as a pawn soldier, only to be discarded once their mind ceased to function normally. Or recruited by a drug gang at 16 to assassinate rival gang members in turf disputes.
Every time a Conservative Congress gets a majority they defund sex education and birth control centers around the world. This particular Congress is attempting to defund Planned Parenthood agencies in this very country. You should be VERY afraid if this happens. Ever since the inauguration, investors have been flooding For Profit Prison systems with venture capital to build new and large prison complexes around the country. Oregon with only 4M population, and in a period of lowering violent crime rates, is on track to double its available prison beds in the next 10 years. Cities are bidding for the opportunity to have large complexes built in their jurisdictions. AG Sessions has announced a return to mandatory minimum (25 to life) sentences for non-violent, low level drug convictions. That many of these prisons will also be full scale furniture and apparel factories, and meat packing plants should give the intelligent reader some idea of what is afoot.
There is an absolute and total disconnect between how the very wealthy want to see America and how the rest of us need to have it, and too many of us are swayed by the 1% viewpoint which, whether we know it or not, will hurt us all. Yeah it seems great if your son or daughter is employed as a correction officer in one of those new jails. Or is it. The danger, and burnout, and the domestic violence and suicide statistics of the Corrections Industry are not enviable. It is nasty, unfulfilling, and soul corrosive work and it doesn't really need to be done. Prisons as warehouses for excess, unwanted population that are forced into being by the denial of effective, affordable and easily available birth control sounds like something only Margaret Atwood could dream up, but the truth is that her dystopian novels are written to highlight and bring scrutiny to the social paradigms that we engineer in this country.
Tax the rich. Tax everyone, but also tax the rich. Stop wasting the revenue. Don't support elected officials that advocate investment in For Profit Incarceration Centers. Do not support elected officials that advocate the defunding of Planned Parenthood and other kinds of women's health facilities. Things didn't get as bad as they are overnight. It certainly can't be fixed overnight. But it could be fixed. I can't believe we must live this way.
I get why very wealthy people abhor progressive tax systems. I don't get why the rest of us do. One of the richest men ever has leveraged his wealth to position his regular income outside of any taxation beyond the 3% minimum mandated by law, to capture 'some' tax revenue from people just like him. That still lets millions... millions of dollars of tax revenue waltz right by society every year. And it has been going on for 20 years. And there are thousands like him. And we quibble about the amount it would take to set some things right in Portland. Is that not the definition of 'surreal'?
Agreed. By the time someone is living under a tarpaulin with two or three shopping carts piled high with detritus it is going to be tough getting them to adapt to sheltered living. This is a problem. A problem we created by looking the other way while very wealthy people like the person described in the previous paragraph, withheld vital revenue, that could have educated this persons parents, or provided them with enough wherewithal so this person did not wind up used by the U.S. military as a pawn soldier, only to be discarded once their mind ceased to function normally. Or recruited by a drug gang at 16 to assassinate rival gang members in turf disputes.
Every time a Conservative Congress gets a majority they defund sex education and birth control centers around the world. This particular Congress is attempting to defund Planned Parenthood agencies in this very country. You should be VERY afraid if this happens. Ever since the inauguration, investors have been flooding For Profit Prison systems with venture capital to build new and large prison complexes around the country. Oregon with only 4M population, and in a period of lowering violent crime rates, is on track to double its available prison beds in the next 10 years. Cities are bidding for the opportunity to have large complexes built in their jurisdictions. AG Sessions has announced a return to mandatory minimum (25 to life) sentences for non-violent, low level drug convictions. That many of these prisons will also be full scale furniture and apparel factories, and meat packing plants should give the intelligent reader some idea of what is afoot.
There is an absolute and total disconnect between how the very wealthy want to see America and how the rest of us need to have it, and too many of us are swayed by the 1% viewpoint which, whether we know it or not, will hurt us all. Yeah it seems great if your son or daughter is employed as a correction officer in one of those new jails. Or is it. The danger, and burnout, and the domestic violence and suicide statistics of the Corrections Industry are not enviable. It is nasty, unfulfilling, and soul corrosive work and it doesn't really need to be done. Prisons as warehouses for excess, unwanted population that are forced into being by the denial of effective, affordable and easily available birth control sounds like something only Margaret Atwood could dream up, but the truth is that her dystopian novels are written to highlight and bring scrutiny to the social paradigms that we engineer in this country.
Tax the rich. Tax everyone, but also tax the rich. Stop wasting the revenue. Don't support elected officials that advocate investment in For Profit Incarceration Centers. Do not support elected officials that advocate the defunding of Planned Parenthood and other kinds of women's health facilities. Things didn't get as bad as they are overnight. It certainly can't be fixed overnight. But it could be fixed. I can't believe we must live this way.
Totally agree- and I would much rather work at a supported homeless apartment building then a prison, and its probably way smarter to prevent homelessness to begin with!
Totally agree- and I would much rather work at a supported homeless apartment building then a prison, and its probably way smarter to prevent homelessness to begin with!
Portland does need more low income housing!
You and Leisestrum are both free to donate 100% of your income and time to your homeless cause. Theree is nothing stopping you.
I get why very wealthy people abhor progressive tax systems. I don't get why the rest of us do. One of the richest men ever has leveraged his wealth to position his regular income outside of any taxation beyond the 3% minimum mandated by law, to capture 'some' tax revenue from people just like him. That still lets millions... millions of dollars of tax revenue waltz right by society every year. And it has been going on for 20 years. And there are thousands like him. And we quibble about the amount it would take to set some things right in Portland. Is that not the definition of 'surreal'?
Agreed. By the time someone is living under a tarpaulin with two or three shopping carts piled high with detritus it is going to be tough getting them to adapt to sheltered living. This is a problem. A problem we created by looking the other way while very wealthy people like the person described in the previous paragraph, withheld vital revenue, that could have educated this persons parents, or provided them with enough wherewithal so this person did not wind up used by the U.S. military as a pawn soldier, only to be discarded once their mind ceased to function normally. Or recruited by a drug gang at 16 to assassinate rival gang members in turf disputes.
Every time a Conservative Congress gets a majority they defund sex education and birth control centers around the world. This particular Congress is attempting to defund Planned Parenthood agencies in this very country. You should be VERY afraid if this happens. Ever since the inauguration, investors have been flooding For Profit Prison systems with venture capital to build new and large prison complexes around the country. Oregon with only 4M population, and in a period of lowering violent crime rates, is on track to double its available prison beds in the next 10 years. Cities are bidding for the opportunity to have large complexes built in their jurisdictions. AG Sessions has announced a return to mandatory minimum (25 to life) sentences for non-violent, low level drug convictions. That many of these prisons will also be full scale furniture and apparel factories, and meat packing plants should give the intelligent reader some idea of what is afoot.
There is an absolute and total disconnect between how the very wealthy want to see America and how the rest of us need to have it, and too many of us are swayed by the 1% viewpoint which, whether we know it or not, will hurt us all. Yeah it seems great if your son or daughter is employed as a correction officer in one of those new jails. Or is it. The danger, and burnout, and the domestic violence and suicide statistics of the Corrections Industry are not enviable. It is nasty, unfulfilling, and soul corrosive work and it doesn't really need to be done. Prisons as warehouses for excess, unwanted population that are forced into being by the denial of effective, affordable and easily available birth control sounds like something only Margaret Atwood could dream up, but the truth is that her dystopian novels are written to highlight and bring scrutiny to the social paradigms that we engineer in this country.
Tax the rich. Tax everyone, but also tax the rich. Stop wasting the revenue. Don't support elected officials that advocate investment in For Profit Incarceration Centers. Do not support elected officials that advocate the defunding of Planned Parenthood and other kinds of women's health facilities. Things didn't get as bad as they are overnight. It certainly can't be fixed overnight. But it could be fixed. I can't believe we must live this way.
You are in denial and risk going crazy.
2016 Statistics -
top 20% of income earners - paid 86% of all income taxes
top .1% of income earners paid 20% of all income taxes
bottom 50% of income earners paid 4.2% of all income taxes
The "rich" are not the problem. That is a fake news issue propagated by Democrats/Socialists to increase gov't control.
Also everyone should know that US gov't only collects taxes on income, not wealth. A multimillionaire can pay little to no tax if there is no "income."
Portland is still popular and is getting more populated. My husband's friends and family in Los Angeles area say that Portland is very desirable as a potential place to move to so I wouldn't be surprised to see lots more SoCal transplants.
I hope you tell your husband's friends and family why you moved to the suburbs. Advice from former Portland residents does have value.
The younger cool hipster cousins don't have kids yet and want to move to the city for sure. We know many families that are considering the burbs but I won't cross my fingers. I am getting used to being without family in Oregon.
Portland is still popular and is getting more populated. My husband's friends and family in Los Angeles area say that Portland is very desirable as a potential place to move to so I wouldn't be surprised to see lots more SoCal transplants.
Because, even though Portland has gone seriously downhill, it is still better than the places the incomers are abandoning.
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