Double standards (men & women) (inability, people, dating, woman)

[JaybirdX]

Originally Posted by ShellNic

You're right....they might raise eyebrows...but it's not generally a man's nature to get up and want to dance with another man. I don't personally know one single man who likes to dance at all...other than to get close to a woman. I'm not sure this is the best example.

I think that's more of a cultural thing that a man thing. I some countries men dancing close to each other is normal. Where I'm from guys danced because they liked to show off and enjoyed it. It also helped that their dance moves helped impress girls that they liked helped my cousin get married.

[fleetiebelle]

A father who focuses on his career and works long hours is being a good provider; a mother who does the same is neglecting her family.

[mörkrädd]

Originally Posted by Ro2113

A couple of things I want to add here:

first in general, women can partake in a wider range of behaviors and that is deemed acceptable. Men on the other hand are expected to fit in a rigid mold and those who don't will instantly have their sexuality questioned for the most part.

Most importantly, the irony of this thread, (presuming that you are a man) is that it is usually men that heavily defend and enforce these double standards even the ones that are to our disadvantage.

Agreed on the irony part. In many cases, men in general create the oppression. Men generally bully other men who do not conform to the norm.

[soletaire]

Originally Posted by JaybirdX

I think when it comes to men and women the biological differences that a brought up get out of hand. Many of the traits that get brought up can easily be applied to both genders so saying they are masculine and feminine is just ridiculous. Most behavior stuff is mostly societal and cultural.

I agree with this. Men and women are not all that different really. If you really look at it, women are typically shorter and a little fatter, but men are not all THAT much stronger than women in the practical sense. (In terms of socking someone, or picking up a blunt object and hitting someone with it or stabbing someone.) Which would make it questionable why men are always assumed to be the aggressors in domestic violence cases.

[Fleur66]

Originally Posted by Ro2113

first in general, women can partake in a wider range of behaviors and that is deemed acceptable. Men on the other hand are expected to fit in a rigid mold and those who don't will instantly have their sexuality questioned for the most part.

Most importantly, the irony of this thread, (presuming that you are a man) is that it is usually men that heavily defend and enforce these double standards even the ones that are to our disadvantage. (I'm a man too)

I read the first part of your comment, was thinking of a reply...but then you basically said what I was thinking in the second part of your comment. Men are often the ones expecting their peers to fit into a narrower range of "acceptable".

[Ro2113]

Originally Posted by JaybirdX

I think when it comes to men and women the psychological differences that a brought up get out of hand. Many of the traits that get brought up can easily be applied to both genders so saying they are masculine and feminine is just ridiculous. Most behavior stuff is mostly societal and cultural.

Who knows, Maybe the so-called physiological differences never really existed and all these gender roles were always the result of religious and social constructs.

Or maybe the psychological differences between men and women were always very pronounced but due to evolution these differences are slowly eroding away. One thing no one can deny is that women in general have become more masculine in the traditional sense. Not just by taking more positions of power in the workforce and gaining financial independence but in behavior as well. Behaviors that were thought to be manly such as sexual aggression, assertiveness, excessive swearing, hard core drinking and partying are now being partaken in by more and more females. So it does make you wonder that if these gender roles were really as natural as some say they are than why is this happening?

Maybe a century from now the only general difference between men and women will be completely physical.

[JaybirdX]

Originally Posted by Ro2113

Who knows, Maybe the so-called physiological differences never really existed and all these gender roles were always the result of religious and social constructs.

Or maybe the psychological differences between men and women were always very pronounced but due to evolution these differences are slowly eroding away. One thing no one can deny is that women in general have become more masculine in the traditional sense. Not just by taking more positions of power in the workforce and gaining financial independence but in behavior as well. Behaviors that were thought to be manly such as sexual aggression, assertiveness, excessive swearing, hard core drinking and partying are now being partaken in by more and more females. So it does make you wonder that if these gender roles were really as natural as some say they are than why is this happening?

Maybe a century from now the only general difference between men and women will be completely physical.

I am a big history buff I love reading about history. When I look through it masculine and feminine characteristics are all over place and depends on the time period.

For example in the 19th century it used to common that young boys and young girls would wear dresses because it made changing diapers easier.

[KaaBoom]

Originally Posted by RogersParkGuy

Er, you're wrong on almost every count here:

3) Men alone are not normally assumed to be pedophiles. I walk around alone all the time. No one ever accused me of giving any kids the eye.
5) BOTH men and women are seen as "losers" nowadays if they live with their parents.
7) The proportion of men who suffer domestic violence is tiny; most women homicide victims are murdered by male partners.

3) I disagree. I've heard many people say that. Maybe sometimes joking, but whatever.
5) Or they are both seen as being totally normal, victims of the economic times . I believe as many as 30% of young adults still live with their parents.
7) Nonsense. Some studies show that up to 70% of domestic violence is committed by women against the men.
Harvard Says 70% of Domestic Violence is Committed By Women Against Men

[exscapegoat]

Women enforce gender roles too. In college, a good guy friend of mine & I joked around about getting married. He's better with kids. At the time, I was undecided about children (I've since become childfree). We joked around that he'd stay home with the kids while I would work to support the family. I made the mistake of saying that in front of my mom and she got really angry, saying I'd better not support any man. If he stayed home with the kids, I would view that as contributing to the family because it would save on childcare. And he'd have dinner and my martini waiting for me when I got home. Hey, if I could afford that now, I'd pay someone to do just the dinner and martini part!

Ironically enough, from the bits and pieces I hear (I'm no contact with her and my bro), my brother works, but my SIL is the primary breadwinner. I'm not sure who's the primary caregiver for my niece. But since it's her beloved golden child living off of a woman, it's ok Seriously, whatever works best for them, it's their business. I just think it's funny given the way she reacted to me even joking about it.

[KaaBoom]

Originally Posted by SandyCo

I take issue with the assertion that an unattractive woman can always get a date but a man can't. The truth is that an unattractive man with money can get all the dates he wants with extremely attractive women. (I live in L.A.; this is the nature of the dating scene here. )

I think that one is a wash. I know both men and women who have trouble dating, and most of them are not even unattractive. Of course anyone can technically get a date, if they have no standards.