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It's amazing how ignorant people can be by simply believing what is shown on a political agenda commercial without actually making an attempt to learn the truth about a process. And Americans really wonder why we have become the laughing stock of the world.
I still don't understand the reference. Are you using the term "Luddite" to simply mean "anti-technology"? There is a pretty important labor movement aspect to the term, and I don't think those opposed to fracking are campaigning for the rights of displaced coal miners.
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Originally Posted by netbrad
I mean the term as people who oppose new technology, often with irrational fear.
I don't think you have a very firm grasp of that word's meaning, but at least I understand what you think it means now.
Honestly, I haven't followed this issue very closely, but have the fracking companies finally agreed to disclose the exact chemical mixtures that they are injecting into the ground? If you were serious about wanting scientific analysis, this type of open information exchange is critical.
I don't think you have a very firm grasp of that word's meaning, but at least I understand what you think it means now.
Honestly, I haven't followed this issue very closely, but have the fracking companies finally agreed to disclose the exact chemical mixtures that they are injecting into the ground? If you were serious about wanting scientific analysis, this type of open information exchange is critical.
Our current elected officials have made it a misdemeanor for anyone to disclose the chemicals used in fracking. I'm sure that decision was made with general public in mind and not the energy companies
Instead of attacking the messenger, do you have any refutation to the links they referenced? I thought the newspaper images were pretty self-explanatory.
Just because methane can leak into water supplies naturally doesn't mean anything about whether fracking can also cause it unnaturally, so the articles don't really address the issue.
This article is a few years old but cites a few specific examples of the kinds of water contamination and other effects being seen. On the scientific examination side, there's this Duke-led study that showed strong correlation between distance from gas wells and methane/ethane/propane in drinking water wells.
It also "could" be the result of gophers tunnelling.
So here is some REAL info on fracking. While in Texas, meeting with some VERY conservative clients of mine (they make their living on oil and gas), their take on Fracking was this: "We were promised lots of money and wealth, and didn't see any of it, all we got is broken roads, dust everywhere, destruction of our land (as in the way strip-mining looks), and not much else. I was in favor of fracking based on the promises, but now having seen the reality, it is the worse thing that could happen to our community."
Science aside, this is a REAL experience.
As for the science, there is no way that you can keep a strait face and say that fracturing rock strata, then pumping toxic chemicals into the ground does not come with an increased risk. You might be able to say that you are OK with that risk, but surely, if you put away your own partisan kool-aid, for just a minute, you can understand that there are two sides to this and that people have legitimate concerns that are best mitigated by addressing them, rather than dismissing them, or worse, making it a felony to even discuss them.... Can you at least give us that much?
As for the science, there is no way that you can keep a strait face and say that fracturing rock strata, then pumping toxic chemicals into the ground does not come with an increased risk. You might be able to say that you are OK with that risk, but surely, if you put away your own partisan kool-aid, for just a minute, you can understand that there are two sides to this and that people have legitimate concerns that are best mitigated by addressing them, rather than dismissing them, or worse, making it a felony to even discuss them.... Can you at least give us that much?
It also "could" be the result of gophers tunnelling.
So here is some REAL info on fracking. While in Texas, meeting with some VERY conservative clients of mine (they make their living on oil and gas), their take on Fracking was this: "We were promised lots of money and wealth, and didn't see any of it, all we got is broken roads, dust everywhere, destruction of our land (as in the way strip-mining looks), and not much else. I was in favor of fracking based on the promises, but now having seen the reality, it is the worse thing that could happen to our community."
Science aside, this is a REAL experience.
As for the science, there is no way that you can keep a strait face and say that fracturing rock strata, then pumping toxic chemicals into the ground does not come with an increased risk. You might be able to say that you are OK with that risk, but surely, if you put away your own partisan kool-aid, for just a minute, you can understand that there are two sides to this and that people have legitimate concerns that are best mitigated by addressing them, rather than dismissing them, or worse, making it a felony to even discuss them.... Can you at least give us that much?
Very well said. I would like to add that it would also be nice if people would stop insulting everyone who disagrees with you. It is possible to debate a point without name calling, we are all adults here, correct?
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