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Not all of it is, particularly in the Triangle. Wake County, where the wedding venue is located, had a majority vote for Biden, as did Durham and Orange counties.
I would respect their decision to turn down the couple if they were honest rather than the excuse that it goes against their beliefs.....maybe one day that crowd can actual live like Jesus and love thy neighbor.
I would respect their decision to turn down the couple if they were honest rather than the excuse that it goes against their beliefs.....maybe one day that crowd can actual live like Jesus and love thy neighbor.
Yeah, I feel like the extent to which this affects one’s personal (not business) beliefs would be more like “my faith prevents ME from getting married to someone of the same sex.”
Since a venue is just a place people rent out, refusing to rent it based on these men’s sexual orientation is just straight discrimination.
I did not see any mention of the venue owner performing the ceremony or being part of the wedding itself.
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Marriage is a sacrament in the Catholic church and not allowed. It's completely valid for a Catholic to think supporting another's gay marriage is a venial sin.
I doubt the business owners are Catholic, there just aren’t many down here.
Anyway, most Catholics I know do support gay marriage. This is my age group 30s/40s and my parents generation 60s/70s. However, with the exception of one friend, none of them actually go to church. I remember my boss (up north) in her mid 50s telling me she was the youngest person at mass when she would attend. I’m a former Catholic, perhaps the church could modernize some of these views to get the younger crowd back. That’s a while other subject though.
Yes, NC is a red state but I do think it will change in the next decade. I’m in one of the highly desired towns and it seems quite moderate to me.
Marriage is a sacrament in the Catholic church and not allowed. It's completely valid for a Catholic to think supporting another's gay marriage is a venial sin.
A question if I may.
What about marriages which aren't conducted by the church; Catholic or otherwise?
I can certainly understand (even while I don't share their view) that Joe and and Jane Q Public may not support same sex marriage as it goes against their faith. Even though another couple getting married really has little to do with them; they certainly aren't entering into a gay marriage and aren't being asked to.
But there are many, many marriages which are not sacraments. I was married by a Justice of the Peace at the Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas after obtaining a marriage license at the Clark Co. Marriage License Bureau. While I was raised Catholic, I left the church when it came time to be Confirmed and my wife was raised a Wicken mother. We requested there be no mention of god, faith, religion, sacraments etc in our ceremony. Not because we are antagonistic towards faith, but because we weren't getting married in the context of our faith. Our ceremony was about us, joining together in a legal civil manner (and all the fun things that come with that, like tax returns, hospital visits etc) and to share that day with family and friends.
I have no issues with a Church declining to marry a gay couple. I have no issues with a small business, assuming it is legally set up a 501c3 non profit, from doing business in such an event. But beyond that, you lose me.
Marriage was a sacrament to you (?) and is to Catholics....but you're projecting if you apply that belief to everyone's situation. People can and are legally bound together in the eyes of the law and never did so within the confines of god. That may make their (my) marriage less real to you, but I assure you it isn't. The IRS disagrees with that position, as does the Social Security Administration, Private Insurance companies (and the employers who provide said benes) disagree with it.
In closing, here is the Rorschach test I apply to these situations when they come up. If the small business refuses to serve a gay couple based on religious beliefs, ok, then I must assume they also refuse to serve a straight couple whose marriage isn't the first for either, since a second marriage is a sin towards the first. Or that the couple in question didn't live together prior to getting married or that they didn't have sex before the ceremony (Corinthians has a bunch of verses on this).
If the small business isn't checking on those other situations (not first marriage, or if the couple is living in sin to name a couple) then their refusal to serve a gay couple really has very little to do with "not engaging with situations their faith tells them are sinful" and really is about something quite different. God doesn't allow men to pick and choose when it's ok to engage with a sinner and when its not...Ezekiel lays this out very clearly.
I doubt the business owners are Catholic, there just aren’t many down here.
Anyway, most Catholics I know do support gay marriage. This is my age group 30s/40s and my parents generation 60s/70s. However, with the exception of one friend, none of them actually go to church. I remember my boss (up north) in her mid 50s telling me she was the youngest person at mass when she would attend. I’m a former Catholic, perhaps the church could modernize some of these views to get the younger crowd back. That’s a while other subject though.
Yes, NC is a red state but I do think it will change in the next decade. I’m in one of the highly desired towns and it seems quite moderate to me.
Actually, Raleigh has experienced massive growth in the Catholic population. Lots of Catholic transplants from the Northeast. It’s not going to rival New Orleans anytime soon, but I’d say that “there aren’t many down here” isn’t true anymore.
Just thinking about the full context here, my guess is that this place has been largely closed or at least tremendously limited in terms of the number and types of gatherings they can host. Theoretically at least, they've had an extremely challenging last 12 months financially. So they are fully willing to walk away from business for a reason personal to them.
Some will still book their events there, some will blacklist it. The market will play this out and it will be interesting to see.
In closing, here is the Rorschach test I apply to these situations when they come up. If the small business refuses to serve a gay couple based on religious beliefs, ok, then I must assume they also refuse to serve a straight couple whose marriage isn't the first for either, since a second marriage is a sin towards the first. Or that the couple in question didn't live together prior to getting married or that they didn't have sex before the ceremony (Corinthians has a bunch of verses on this).
If the small business isn't checking on those other situations (not first marriage, or if the couple is living in sin to name a couple) then their refusal to serve a gay couple really has very little to do with "not engaging with situations their faith tells them are sinful" and really is about something quite different. God doesn't allow men to pick and choose when it's ok to engage with a sinner and when its not...Ezekiel lays this out very clearly.
well stated!
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