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Since most of the tax revenue comes from the suburbs and not this "urban center", the tax dollars from the suburbs are used to maintain the urban center, it sounds like you are proposing somehow taxing every vehicle from outside this area that drives into the city of Raleigh. I'm not sure it is feasible given how many streets and roads enter/exit Raleigh.
Yes. The "London Model" (and I think Sydney does it too off the top of my head) is if you live in say Cary and want to drive into Raleigh for the day/night out, you pay a tax to drive your car in. They do it to control the amount of congestion in the urban core for pollution/walkability reasons.
If a city the size of London (roughly 6 times bigger area wise than Raleigh) can figure it out....I'd say Raleigh would be easy by comp.
Raleigh.....really isn't that big. Its twice the area of Boston and Boston has walking tours that take you around the city.
ETA - To be clear. I am not arguing Raleigh will be a quick adopter of this. But this is the model cities have taken to limit cars in city cores.
Yes. The "London Model" (and I think Sydney does it too off the top of my head) is if you live in say Cary and want to drive into Raleigh for the day/night out, you pay a tax to drive your car in. They do it to control the amount of congestion in the urban core for pollution/walkability reasons.
If a city the size of London (roughly 6 times bigger area wise than Raleigh) can figure it out....I'd say Raleigh would be easy by comp.
Raleigh.....really isn't that big. Its twice the area of Boston and Boston has walking tours that take you around the city.
ETA - To be clear. I am not arguing Raleigh will be a quick adopter of this. But this is the model cities have taken to limit cars in city cores.
The city core of Raleigh is very small compared to the overall size of the city. And, with so much of the suburbs part of Raleigh proper, it would likely have a limited effect on the number of cars in that core. It might, though, result in fewer people from outside of Raleigh visiting the downtown area, which I'm not sure would be a good thing for Raleigh or said area.
Yes. The "London Model" (and I think Sydney does it too off the top of my head) is if you live in say Cary and want to drive into Raleigh for the day/night out, you pay a tax to drive your car in. They do it to control the amount of congestion in the urban core for pollution/walkability reasons.
If a city the size of London (roughly 6 times bigger area wise than Raleigh) can figure it out....I'd say Raleigh would be easy by comp.
Raleigh.....really isn't that big. Its twice the area of Boston and Boston has walking tours that take you around the city.
ETA - To be clear. I am not arguing Raleigh will be a quick adopter of this. But this is the model cities have taken to limit cars in city cores.
London has great mass transit. If you can't drive your car to Raleigh, not sure how you're gonna bother going.
Raleigh isn't remarkable enough to make people pay a tax anyway. It ain't London, or Boston.
London has great mass transit. If you can't drive your car to Raleigh, not sure how you're gonna bother going.
Raleigh isn't remarkable enough to make people pay a tax anyway. It ain't London, or Boston.
Correct.
Plus, to take it a step even further; not nearly as many people commute to downtown Raleigh for work from the suburban areas (be they within Raleigh city limits or separate suburban towns/unincorporated areas) compared to most other similarly-sized metros; let alone those significantly larger. This was the case even before the pandemic due to the multi-nodal dynamic of the region.
Raleigh's core will densify as all cities do as they grow. Yes; a decrease in surface parking lots and an increase in walkability and transit options can, should, and will become a part of that no matter how many NIMBY Karens/Kens complain to city council. But I think it is fairly silly to assume this area will see anything close to Boston, NYC, London, DC level commuting patterns (for work or pleasure) or core density in the lifetime of any adult currently living here.
London has great mass transit. If you can't drive your car to Raleigh, not sure how you're gonna bother going.
Raleigh isn't remarkable enough to make people pay a tax anyway. It ain't London, or Boston.
No no, I agree with all points.
I was simply jumping on to the point about “cities being more anything but car focused” as we move forward and sharing that other cities have already started systems which force you to pay for that personal convenience and that I see US cities; certainly not ours to start (I mean chit people on this board bish about dollar something in tolls on 540….I paid more than that in college to go home to my parents and I was making 7.25/hr making pizzas…Charmin soft).
The next century won’t be car focused like the 20th was (ie “LA blocks are bigger than NYC blocks because LA was built for the car”)
Having spent the equivalent of 18 months in London, I'll say that the definition of "London" is ambiguous. You probably don't mean the formal City, which is rather small. You probably don't mean everything inside the M25, which roughly corresponds to the Low Emission Zone. You might mean a 5-mile radius, which is roughly the Ultra Low Emission Zone (which is about to expand). Or you might mean a 2-mile radius, which is roughly the Congestion Zone where you have to pay a £15 daily fee to drive during business hours and certain other times.
Mass transit on the north side of the Thames is excellent. Most tourists seldom venture much beyond the south bank of the Thames, however. Mass transit there isn't so great.
The writing was on the wall before the news broke. Any of the old places like Char-Grill that are still around in that part of town are on borrowed time and have been for awhile.
It'll be interesting to see how they'll incorporate the new place into the plans and if it'll be successful. I think a big part of the appeal of Char-Grill was the ambiance of that old place not to mention how easy you could get in and out of there.
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