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Old 01-13-2023, 09:31 AM
 
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I say start with dirt parking lots and primitive stations until the ridership is proven. Then make it nice.
I don't disagree, but the people who have enough influence to stop this or make it happen are not about to have their Gucci shoes getting dusted up in a dirt lot.

^That comment was somewhat tongue in cheek, but really it is probably true. This, like most things, will be marketed as "for everyone", but the people who control the purse strings will make sure that THEIR experience is whatever they want it to be. They will not be parking in dirt lots. More likely, they'll want covered parking decks so they can get from their car to the train without messing up their shoes, cloths, hair and fancy briefcase. At least that's my thought.

(And then after forcing all those demands, THEN they'll get back into their Hummers and Mercedes and not ride the train from Clayton...)
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Old 01-13-2023, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Pretty sure dirt parking lots wouldn't pass ADA compliance anyway.
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Old 01-13-2023, 01:51 PM
 
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I don't understand why it will cost $3.1 billion, some track needs to be doubled and stations (which could start out as sorta primitive until ridership is proven then go all out).
Read the cost breakdown at https://www.readyforrailnc.com/wp-co...-Tech-Memo.pdf. Rolling stock, maintenance facilities, yards, etc. And simply adding the second track isn't so trivial because of fills, retaining walls, new bridges (about 20), redesigned road crossings, utility relocation, fare collection systems, etc.
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Old 01-14-2023, 06:12 PM
 
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you know, with Work From Home,
Order Online, and Skpe/Zoom...
physically going anywhere
might end up being a discretionary diversion.
so...an Airport stop could result in the most desired destination.
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Old 01-14-2023, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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you know, with Work From Home,
Order Online, and Skpe/Zoom...
physically going anywhere
might end up being a discretionary diversion.
so...an Airport stop could result in the most desired destination.
Yes. Until the next recession. When your job is cut. Then, you "just" might want to go into the office '"fer" your next job. Assuming you get one. Everything goes in cycles, King John IV.
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Old 01-14-2023, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Perhaps it will be in service by the turn of the century?
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Old 01-15-2023, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Read the cost breakdown at https://www.readyforrailnc.com/wp-co...-Tech-Memo.pdf. Rolling stock, maintenance facilities, yards, etc. And simply adding the second track isn't so trivial because of fills, retaining walls, new bridges (about 20), redesigned road crossings, utility relocation, fare collection systems, etc.
You're right, there's a lot that I did not think about, and the stations/platforms aren't a huge portion of the cost.

It makes me wonder why the passenger cars can't hang from an elevated linear structure, horizontal to the ground and supported by concrete pillars every 200' or so.

The track could be fixed with passenger cars hanging, sorta similar to a monorail structure. The structure could have guides around the cars to keep them stabilized

This would eliminate so many ground level obstacles and site modifications. Less right of way, less protection from sabotage.

Make the passenger cars lightweight and use about the same ratio of metal and plastic as automobiles.

Perhaps a moving cable like SF cable cars or an electrified rail which would be elevated and pose less danger.
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Old 01-15-2023, 12:26 PM
 
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Suspended monorail systems have been built intermittently across the world, but they've never gained much favor. Most recently, the city of Chengdu in China has built one. The longest one in the world is in Chiba, outside Tokyo. Only 9 miles long. I don't know much about suspended monorails (a/k/a suspension railways) but I'm sure there are reasons why they are rarely built.
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Old 01-15-2023, 12:49 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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Sooooo what's the TL;DR?
I'd suspect they came to the same conclusions as when the Q's were first considered in 1870
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Old 01-15-2023, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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These videos are incredibly well done and explain why passenger rail is sort of a disaster in the US:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbEfzuCLoAQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQTjLWIHN74

(if you like logistics in general, that channel has a ton of cool video)
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