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Bruni goes on to grapple with Dunham's loveless sex scenes and wonders whether today's onslaught of pornography and easy sex has desensitized men to the point where they view women, to recall the words of an earlier day, only as objects. Even the act of sex itself is boring to some men unless it is ratcheted up in some strange, deviant fashion -- all at the expense of the thoroughly humiliated and debased woman.
That's kinda what happens when a country embraces liberal values. CNN should be the last people talking about what degrades women in today's society when they are the proud supporters of what American culture has become. They are the first loudmouths to defame conservatives for putting women back in the 20th century but when it comes to looking at the reality of what has become of a woman's worth in the eyes of men in the 21st century, they can't see that it is a direct result of their own values that they have infringed and pushed upon society through Hollywood, the pornographic industry, and the sexual desensitization in the media. They reap exactly what they have sown. And it all came at the cost of destroying the structure of American society and our once strong moral values.
I found it a very interesting article, and agreed on several points. I do think it's much, MUCH harder to find a relationship minded man because why would a man want to 'deal' with having a woman around when it's nothing but a chore with occasional sex? Look at this forum for instance... men going on and on about never marrying, never being in a relationship and encouraging other men to just have one night stands or FWB situations so they won't have to deal with an actual woman on a regular basis.
All they want is sex (this is a gross generalization, just go with it ) and if you won't put out for them, or if you want a commitment before hand, they'll either dump you and find a girl who will put out, or they'll string you along, lie about how much they love you, then dump you when they get bored and move on to the next woman.
As for the BDSM stuff, as long as both parties are consenting I see nothing wrong with it. People have always had these 'kinks', its just in the past they had to keep them secret.
thanks to the 'hookup culture' any woman with 'values' is called 'old fashioned, frigid, outdated,' or my personal favorite 'prude.' Unfortunately how fast you are willing to hook up has become some kind of indicator to your overall interest in sex ....Hook up culture has made it alright for men to demand sex faster and from more women in a short amount of time while shunning the ones who don't play into this nonsense. One says no, they shuffle her aside and move on to the next (like JetJockey said, 'why should they waste time?'). And how many times has it been posted just on here that "she is making me commit to her before I can get laid!!!! How dare she demand so much of my TIME!!!"
I don't know if this mindset has a direct correlation to porn or not. I'd like to think not, I don't have any issues with pornography and majority of its content.... I do notice a lot of men takes the things the women do in porn and then lay that at the doorstep of a regular woman, making a big deal out of her level (or lack thereof in my case) of sexual experience. The question & poll I made on this doesn't reflect what I've seen IRL (what else is new?). They places a big emphasis on the woman's sexual prowess and willingness to hookup (FWB, ONS, etc) -- then devalue her accordingly as to whether she is worthy of their time or not.
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I found it a very interesting article, and agreed on several points. I do think it's much, MUCH harder to find a relationship minded man because why would a man want to 'deal' with having a woman around when it's nothing but a chore with occasional sex? Look at this forum for instance... men going on and on about never marrying, never being in a relationship and encouraging other men to just have one night stands or FWB situations so they won't have to deal with an actual woman on a regular basis.
All they want is sex (this is a gross generalization, just go with it ) and if you won't put out for them, or if you want a commitment before hand, they'll either dump you and find a girl who will put out, or they'll string you along, lie about how much they love you, then dump you when they get bored and move on to the next woman.
As for the BDSM stuff, as long as both parties are consenting I see nothing wrong with it. People have always had these 'kinks', its just in the past they had to keep them secret.
Culture debases? No, only a woman can do that to herself, and each of us have choices.
Sadly — and I know that many will disagree with me — many women have succumbed to a culture that is ultimately counterproductive to their long-term goals. How many women have FWBs but expect to one day fall in love, get married and have a long, happy life with their spouse? If men are taught that women don't value monogamy and exclusivity — that they can get the proverbial milk for free — this has a trickle-down effect on all women, whether we buy into the rhetoric ourselves.
This isn't a question about being liberal or conservative. This goes to the heart of what's left in our society that's still somewhat sacred. Sex between two people is the most profoundly intimate act that two people can possibly share. I'm not saying that we should go back to a time when sex between unmarried people was gasp-worthy. Not that at all. But when sex is downplayed to an after work activity for purposes of stress relief (sort of like working out at the gym or mindlessly eating a carton of ice cream) it loses its value, across the board, to both men and women.
"It's just a shag. Big deal!"
It's just divorce. It's just cheating. It's just an abortion. It's just a child out of wedlock. Big deal. See where I'm going with this?
So gals, when you've blown it all out of your system and you're ready to settle into monogamy, ask yourself what lessons you've taught the men in your life. And then ask yourself why there are very few men around who want to settle down at all. Every single one of us teaches them what we expect from them. So you've set the bar. How high is it?
"Bruni goes on to grapple with Dunham's loveless sex scenes and wonders whether today's onslaught of pornography and easy sex has desensitized men to the point where they view women, to recall the words of an earlier day, only as objects. Even the act of sex itself is boring to some men unless it is ratcheted up in some strange, deviant fashion -- all at the expense of the thoroughly humiliated and debased woman."
Thoughts?
"sex has desensitized men to the point where they view women, to recall the words of an earlier day, only as objects"
Most women I know are the ones controlling the kink in the relationship. I don't do it to them. We either do it together or she dictates the moves. I'm a pleaser, so the woman is in the drivers seat
So gals, when you've blown it all out of your system and you're ready to settle into monogamy, ask yourself what lessons you've taught the men in your life. And then ask yourself why there are very few men around who want to settle down at all. Every single one of us teaches them what we expect from them. So you've set the bar. How high is it?
Interesting post. I can see your point of view.
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) and if you won't put out for them, or if you want a commitment before hand, they'll either dump you and find a girl who will put out, or they'll string you along, lie about how much they love you, then dump you when they get bored and move on to the next woman. 
....Hook up culture has made it alright for men to demand sex faster and from more women in a short amount of time while shunning the ones who don't play into this nonsense. One says no, they shuffle her aside and move on to the next (like JetJockey said, 'why should they waste time?'). And how many times has it been posted just on here that "
she is making me commit to her before I can get laid!!!! How dare she demand so much of my TIME!!!" 
