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Old 05-31-2012, 11:11 AM
 
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Yes, because we all know we cant live without reciprocal love. How can we all not want the same thing. There sure must be something wrong with those that dont. Maybe they are gay or have aids?
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:14 AM
 
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Yeah... We are just going to have to agree to disagree on that. I still don't see how a video game is capable of loving you back since a video game isn't capable of emotions. But if you think otherwise - that's fine with me.
Yes, I think its best that we agree to disagree. Because not only can one find love through video games or any other hobby that one is passionate about, they may even be more passionate about that than they are in any relationship theyve had. Extensively, I dont see how someone is capable of loving a cheating wife or husband, but somehow even the best of them find love in unconventional relationships.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Yes, I think its best that we agree to disagree. Because not only can one find love in video games or any hobby that one is passionate about, it may be they may even be more passionate about that than they are in any relationship theyve had. I dont see how someone is capable of loving a cheating wife or husband, but somehow even the best of them find love in unconventional relationships.
The confusion is over your use of the word "reciprocal". Reciprocal means mutual, i.e. I like you and you like me back. How does a hobby like you back?
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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Yes, I think its best that we agree to disagree. Because not only can one find love in video games or any hobby that one is passionate about, it may be they may even be more passionate about that than they are in any relationship theyve had. I dont see how someone is capable of loving a cheating wife or husband, but somehow even the best of them find love in unconventional relationships.
I'm not saying that you can't be passionate about a video game or a hobby - I'm saying that the video game or hobby can't love you back - hence it cannot be reciprocal love. I love reading and traveling and singing - but my books, songs, and trips do not love me back. That doesn't mean that I don't get great enjoyment from them. Singing is my passion and I love it - not as much as I love my family - but it means a great deal to me. Singing, however, does not love me back. It is not capable of human emotions.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Huntersville/Charlotte, NC and Washington, DC
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The confusion is over your use of the word "reciprocal". Reciprocal means mutual, eg. I like you and you like me back. How does a hobby like you back?
If it relaxes me, or gets my mind off of for a few hours, that is enough like and love for me.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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Yes, because we all know we cant live without reciprocal love. How can we all not want the same thing. There sure must be something wrong with those that dont. Maybe they are gay or have aids?
I'm not saying that you can't live with out reciprocal love - I'm saying that you can't find reciprocal love with a video game.

For me - I could not live with out reciprocal love. I get this from my mom, my husband, my son, my dog, my friends, my family, etc. I am a loving person and I need love in return. Not everyone is like me. But I know myself and I know my path to happiness. I'm not friends with anyone in real life that doesn't need or want reciprocal love - I don't think I attract those kind of people - but Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory comes to mind. I'm sure there are people in real life similar to him. He seems perfectly happy by himself.

I've never said or thought that we all want the same thing. Ever.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:24 AM
 
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Yes, because we all know we cant live without reciprocal love. How can we all not want the same thing. There sure must be something wrong with those that dont. Maybe they are gay or have aids?
You make a good point. I noticed, many people have a hard time wrapping their minds around this reality: There are people out their who just dont need love. Society has elevated love and sex to some paradigmatic status that everyone is supposed to pursue, regardless of their desire for it, when in reality, not everyone needs to be cajoled and prodded into career success by their spouse, or validated, or loved, or to have sex with anyone, or to be emotionally supported by anyone. They just dont.

Its fine to have and need all those things, but not everyone needs them. There are people who come in from a hard days work, who dont have a pity party about the fact that no one has cooked them dinner, or who dont have a pity party about the fact that that no one is throwing confetti and streamers when they say "honey Im home"...they are perfectly fine without those accoutrements. And they may not even desire them at all. They may have enough drive and initiative that they dont need to be prodded until they become successful in life.

And I will repeat, there is nothing wrong with needing or wanting all of those things. Those things are lovely for some people, but for others, they are just unnecessary and undesirable.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:27 AM
 
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I'm not saying that you can't be passionate about a video game or a hobby - I'm saying that the video game or hobby can't love you back - hence it cannot be reciprocal love. I love reading and traveling and singing - but my books, songs, and trips do not love me back. That doesn't mean that I don't get great enjoyment from them. Singing is my passion and I love it - not as much as I love my family - but it means a great deal to me. Singing, however, does not love me back. It is not capable of human emotions.
Of course it can love you back. Thats why I said: its all in how you view your relationships. If one doesnt think his/her passion delivers any kind of love to them, then they are with a passion that isnt completely fulfilling.

As you said earlier though, we have differing meanings of love, so Ill agree to disagree on this point.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Katonah, NY
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If it relaxes me, or gets my mind of for a few hours, that is enough like and love for me.
That's how I feel about singing or reading. There were times in high school where I would just sit at the piano and play and sing for hours to cheer myself up.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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You make a good point. I noticed, many people have a hard time wrapping their minds around this reality: There are people out their who just dont need love. Society has elevated love and sex to some paradigmatic status that everyone is supposed to pursue, regardless of their desire for it, when in reality, not everyone needs to be cajoled and prodded into career success by their spouse, or validated, or loved, or to have sex with anyone, or to be emotionally supported by anyone. They just dont.

Its fine to have and need all those things, but not everyone needs them. There are people who come in from a hard days work, who dont have a pity party about the fact that no one has cooked them dinner, or who dont have a pity party about the fact that that no one is throwing confetti and streamers when they say "honey Im home"...they are perfectly fine without those accoutrements. And they may not even desire them at all. They may have enough drive and initiative that they dont need to be prodded until they become successful in life.

And I will repeat, there is nothing wrong with needing or wanting all of those things. Those things are lovely for some people, but for others, they are just unnecessary and undesirable.
Do you believe it is possible for a person to support his/her partner without it being "prodding" or "cajoling" and that this extra support can contribute towards success in areas? Do you believe that people may be very independent with a high level of drive and initiative and still greatly benefit from the support of a partner?

While I understand/respect your perspective as I have had similar sentiments before meeting my SO, I think people also sometimes underestimate the great power of 2 people ("the power couple") happily striving towards the the same success goals.
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