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i don't find it immoral at all its a form of art, same goes for people who pose nude for artists, take a look at art history and there was a lot of skin and family jewels showing. . I remember going to museums when i was a child on school trip and there were some interesting GREEK statues that we were not shield from looking at.
The former biker I was with HATED strip clubs, mainly because he had dated quite a few strippers and said that after a while, with each one, he realized that they hated men. He just figured there was something screwed up with a line of work that left you hating half of humanity.
We ended up going to a strip club together during his family reunion, with his father and cousin (the father and cousin wanted to go, my ex didn't - but I said I'd go because I'd never been). Amusingly, the strippers all came to hang out with me and him during their breaks, I guess because they figured a grumpy looking biker-type with his girlfriend wasn't going to harass them, but would probably scare off all the other patrons. I had a blast chatting with the girls all night.
Actually, most working people have less than $100K in the bank, and the FDIC as well as certain insurance companies will cover depositors up to that limit. So even if bank robbers clean out the vault, the working people are pretty much safe.
You know what I mean. Stealing is always wrong and I think it's dumb to compare a man voluntarily giving his money to stripper in exchange for lapdances to robbing a bank. Robbing = involuntarily having your property/money taken away from you.
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I agree that stripping isn't immoral, but it's still an unwise choice of job, for exactly the reasons you named. Earnings start high but decline rapidly, even if you're a feature who tours. Most straight jobs have increasing incomes with much less risk, and don't get treated as badly by legal/law enforcement people when they need help.
Mmmm yes, although I can understand they do it. I think a lot of sex workers are unfairly judged. I love reading about taboo/unusual parts of life. I also work as a waitress in a stripclub. Well, I'm thinking about quitting. Personally I'd rather do nude modeling or phone sex.
That's true about straight jobs re: increasing earnings.
Other reasons why people choose sex work over straight jobs, aside from money:
a) Free time and flexibility. A lot of students get into it because it allows them to earn enough money to live comfortably and still leaves them spare time to study. Work as much or as little as you like. If you want to quit working and take a holiday for a week/month/year, you can with little to no repercussions unlike a corporate straight job, where you are allotted a limited number of sick days/vacation time and you get penalized for taking more than your allotment.
b) No commute for home phone sex operators or webcam models.
c) Freedom to reject customers you don't like.
d) A desire for thrills/excitement. Boredom. Curiosity. (Diablo Cody, Scarlett Fay)
e) Some are nymphomaniacs/exhibitionists (Maria Ozawa, Lily LaBeau)
f) No boss nagging you for wearing a wrinkly shirt, having an office romance, not combing your hair, not micromanaging you or arriving at work at 8:01am when you're supposed to arrive at 8:00am etc. Corporate BS.
g) Tolerance for transgender/transsexuals/homosexuals, people with dreadlocks/piercings/tattoos, etc.
h) A desire for infamy/rebellion (Lady Gaga)
Ron Jeremy is actually university-educated, qualified as a teacher and gives lectures at colleges. Brooke Magnanti AKA Belle de Jour has a PhD. Nina Hartley has a nursing degree. Bobbi Starr has a music degree. Tera Patrick has two degrees in biology and nursing. Mika Tan has a bachelor's in biochemistry. Actually, quite a few porn stars have degrees...money and desperation clearly isn't the [main] reason why they choose sex work.
There are a lot of options out there, if they wanted to earn $$$ in a short time frame and they were willing to take risks. Drug dealing, for example, has a far higher earnings potential than any sex work. Selling a few pounds of meth/cocaine = millions of dollars. I've heard that contract killers can earn $30k for killing a regular person, more for a politician or famous person. A kidney is worth at least a few grand on the black market.
ahh yes. i also cocktail waitressed in a strip club back in the day. this was by far the best part (even beyond the massive tips i often got). i actually felt like working in a regular restaurant was way more "degrading" with people barking orders at me and me running around like a chicken with its head cut off all while pretending to be nice to tables who were running me into the ground. in a gentleman's club, you say whatever the heck you want to the annoying ass or cheap customer and no one cares. or you just ignore him and focus on the people you like dealing with. plus there are a lot of regulars so you can go an entire $200+ night without havng to meet a single new person. this was great as an introvert haha. the only thing that sucks is when the best tippers are also the biggest pains in the ass. then you have to make decisions
You know what I mean. Stealing is always wrong and I think it's dumb to compare a man voluntarily giving his money to stripper in exchange for lapdances to robbing a bank. Robbing = involuntarily having your property/money taken away from you.
Mmmm yes, although I can understand they do it. I think a lot of sex workers are unfairly judged. I love reading about taboo/unusual parts of life. I also work as a waitress in a stripclub. Well, I'm thinking about quitting. Personally I'd rather do nude modeling or phone sex.
That's true about straight jobs re: increasing earnings.
Other reasons why people choose sex work over straight jobs, aside from money:
a) Free time and flexibility. A lot of students get into it because it allows them to earn enough money to live comfortably and still leaves them spare time to study. Work as much or as little as you like. If you want to quit working and take a holiday for a week/month/year, you can with little to no repercussions unlike a corporate straight job, where you are allotted a limited number of sick days/vacation time and you get penalized for taking more than your allotment.
b) No commute for home phone sex operators or webcam models.
c) Freedom to reject customers you don't like.
d) A desire for thrills/excitement. Boredom. Curiosity. (Diablo Cody, Scarlett Fay)
e) Some are nymphomaniacs/exhibitionists (Maria Ozawa, Lily LaBeau)
f) No boss nagging you for wearing a wrinkly shirt, having an office romance, not combing your hair, not micromanaging you or arriving at work at 8:01am when you're supposed to arrive at 8:00am etc. Corporate BS.
g) Tolerance for transgender/transsexuals/homosexuals, people with dreadlocks/piercings/tattoos, etc.
h) A desire for infamy/rebellion (Lady Gaga)
Ron Jeremy is actually university-educated, qualified as a teacher and gives lectures at colleges. Brooke Magnanti AKA Belle de Jour has a PhD. Nina Hartley has a nursing degree. Bobbi Starr has a music degree. Tera Patrick has two degrees in biology and nursing. Mika Tan has a bachelor's in biochemistry. Actually, quite a few porn stars have degrees...money and desperation clearly isn't the [main] reason why they choose sex work.
There are a lot of options out there, if they wanted to earn $$$ in a short time frame and they were willing to take risks. Drug dealing, for example, has a far higher earnings potential than any sex work. Selling a few pounds of meth/cocaine = millions of dollars. I've heard that contract killers can earn $30k for killing a regular person, more for a politician or famous person. A kidney is worth at least a few grand on the black market.
come on. don't be intellectually dishonest: most porn stars and strippers do not have Phds or degrees in biochem.
the dope game can yield lots of money but 1 pound has a street value of about $12,000 not millions.
I dated a couple in my younger days. In my experience they were both extremely fun to go out with, emotional roller coasters (maybe that's all women), hard to trust completely, and very into drugs and alcohol. I am glad I experienced it, but would not recommend it for the faint of heart or anyone searching for a long term relationship.
I had one in my off-campus apartment complex, right next door as a matter of fact, during grad school. Typical blonde bombshell. Saw her bringing a lot of guys home. Some nights, I could hear noises and sometimes even things that were said. It was pretty funny.
Cut to the chase: I woke up one working and went to my car. She drove a nicer late-model GM vehicle. Its hood had been pried open and someone had trashed her engine compartment. Soon enough, the police had arrived. She moved shortly after that. High drama.
You know what I mean. Stealing is always wrong and I think it's dumb to compare a man voluntarily giving his money to stripper in exchange for lapdances to robbing a bank. Robbing = involuntarily having your property/money taken away from you.
I don't know what you mean to write; I only know what you write. And you wrote:
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Robbing a bank is morally wrong, because it is stealing from working people.
which is a false implication. Stealing may be wrong, but not for the reason you gave. The working people are protected enough not to be impacted significantly by the bank's being robbed.
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Mmmm yes, although I can understand they do it. I think a lot of sex workers are unfairly judged. I love reading about taboo/unusual parts of life. I also work as a waitress in a stripclub. Well, I'm thinking about quitting. Personally I'd rather do nude modeling or phone sex.
Other reasons why people choose sex work over straight jobs, aside from money:
a) Free time and flexibility. A lot of students get into it because it allows them to earn enough money to live comfortably and still leaves them spare time to study. Work as much or as little as you like. If you want to quit working and take a holiday for a week/month/year, you can with little to no repercussions unlike a corporate straight job, where you are allotted a limited number of sick days/vacation time and you get penalized for taking more than your allotment.
b) No commute for home phone sex operators or webcam models.
c) Freedom to reject customers you don't like.
d) A desire for thrills/excitement. Boredom. Curiosity. (Diablo Cody, Scarlett Fay)
e) Some are nymphomaniacs/exhibitionists (Maria Ozawa, Lily LaBeau)
f) No boss nagging you for wearing a wrinkly shirt, having an office romance, not combing your hair, not micromanaging you or arriving at work at 8:01am when you're supposed to arrive at 8:00am etc. Corporate BS.
g) Tolerance for transgender/transsexuals/homosexuals, people with dreadlocks/piercings/tattoos, etc.
h) A desire for infamy/rebellion (Lady Gaga)
I agree that they are unfairly judged. And the reasons above, as well as your previous ones about why it's hard/unsafe work, is why it pays so well--it has to in order for women to be willing to do it. Still doesn't make it a wise choice, though, any more than it's a wise choice for someone who's bad with money and arithmetic to become an accountant.
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Ron Jeremy is actually university-educated, qualified as a teacher and gives lectures at colleges. Brooke Magnanti AKA Belle de Jour has a PhD. Nina Hartley has a nursing degree. Bobbi Starr has a music degree. Tera Patrick has two degrees in biology and nursing. Mika Tan has a bachelor's in biochemistry. Actually, quite a few porn stars have degrees...money and desperation clearly isn't the [main] reason why they choose sex work.
There are a lot of options out there, if they wanted to earn $$$ in a short time frame and they were willing to take risks. Drug dealing, for example, has a far higher earnings potential than any sex work. Selling a few pounds of meth/cocaine = millions of dollars. I've heard that contract killers can earn $30k for killing a regular person, more for a politician or famous person. A kidney is worth at least a few grand on the black market.
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come on. don't be intellectually dishonest: most porn stars and strippers do not have Phds or degrees in biochem.
the dope game can yield lots of money but 1 pound has a street value of about $12,000 not millions.
and drug dealing is illegal. stripping is not.
I have to agree with Datafeed. Porn stars and strippers have advanced degrees the same way CEOs drop out of college; there are a few for whom it's true, but for the vast, vast majority, it's not--not even close. You've named six out of...how many people work in porn and other sex work? That's not exactly a representative sample.
As for desperation and money, strippers and porn stars choose their jobs for the same reasons we all do: risk/reward economics, plus the minimum amount of headache that we have to put up with inside and outside of work. The rewards (in whatever form) are enough that they're willing to take the risks and put up with the headaches. Others aren't, so they go do something else.
Apparently 1/3 of the men here have dated strippers. Not likely
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