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they always ***** and moan that women only want a small segment of the population that is socially dominant but the online male community only wants a small segment of the female population that is very beautiful and in great shape. This seems to be true for all guys in this category - even the ones who are average looking, chubby and have mediocre careers feel entitled to a hot babe for no real logical reason. I think the PUA guys encourage this mindset by letting guys feel like they should be getting a hot babe even if they look horrendous and are 50 LBs overweight
In reality, you don't need any "game" or an alpha mindset/confidence to get everyday regular women but a lot of single men (at least the ones I see online) aren't interested in that. They're only interested in the top certain percentage of women who look fantastic. I say this having spent a lot of time on a few online male dominated and other pua forums.
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Considering that most men are attracted to top tier women, I'm not really sure what your point is. The PUA community is broad in interests, skills, theories, and individuals. I've discovered that it's not worth debating with others the value of PUA info because everyone is going to have a strong opinion, based on the level of their exposure , since it challenges typical dating advice, which is often given by women ("just be yourself"). With PUA, you can almost find what your looking for, bad motives (players) and good ("just want a girlfriend/wife"). And this seems to work because each AFC (average frustrated chump) has different needs at different stages in their status, progress, and game. But the more experience you have with it you will find that it boils down to developing the ability to masterfully crossing that common bridge for all men: approaching women and maintainnig their attraction. If you have natural abilities/status/physical attraction/resources, then I guess you don't need game. But I can assure you that for some guys, PUA has made a difference in their life and relationship with women.
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Considering that most men are attracted to top tier women, I'm not really sure what your point is. The PUA community is broad in interests, skills, theories, and individuals. I've discovered that it's not worth debating with others the value of PUA info because everyone is going to have a strong opinion, based on the level of their exposure , since it challenges typical dating advice, which is often given by women ("just be yourself"). With PUA, you can almost find what your looking for, bad motives (players) and good ("just want a girlfriend/wife"). And this seems to work because each AFC (average frustrated chump) has different needs at different stages in their status, progress, and game. But the more experience you have with it you will find that it boils down to developing the ability to masterfully crossing that common bridge for all men: approaching women and maintainnig their attraction. If you have natural abilities/status/physical attraction/resources, then I guess you don't need game.
There is a lot of hypocrisy in terms of the online male dating community
They feel that it's perfectly reasonable for them to only look for the top 10% of women and to consider the other 90% to be nonexistent yet it's not okay for those same women to do the same thing. They complain and whine that "you need game" to get girls but it's only really referring to that top tier. You don't need anything special to date a regular girl - being yourself is fine for that
Average joes need to learn "game" to get beautiful women because their natural appearance/personality/resources doesn't warrant them getting a beautiful girlfriend. That's only reserved for the elite men
you are presenting a rhetorical argument on a forum/audience that has limited exposure to the subject matter. PUA is often described in unacceptable terms so not sure your criticism adds anything more to that perception. And I don't think you need anymore reason other than "I don't like it" to dislike it.
they always ***** and moan that women only want a small segment of the population that is socially dominant but the online male community only wants a small segment of the female population that is very beautiful and in great shape. This seems to be true for all guys in this category - even the ones who are average looking, chubby and have mediocre careers feel entitled to a hot babe for no real logical reason. I think the PUA guys encourage this mindset by letting guys feel like they should be getting a hot babe even if they look horrendous and are 50 LBs overweight
In reality, you don't need any "game" or an alpha mindset/confidence to get everyday regular women but a lot of single men (at least the ones I see online) aren't interested in that. They're only interested in the top certain percentage of women who look fantastic. I say this having spent a lot of time on a few online male dominated and other pua forums.
A lot of guys just want to be part of the game when they are young. When you get older you will look for more qualities that make you compatible. That said...there aren't many whiny guys on here that are depressed because the top 10 percent of women only want other guys. Yes, without a frame of reference they may come off that way. However, most of these guys would settle for any woman that would give them attention. The problem is that even the ugly ones don't give them attention. It's a form of rejection that even fat/ugly (a little sarcasm) girls will never face.
A lot of guys just want to be part of the game when they are young. When you get older you will look for more qualities that make you compatible. That said to many whiny men on here that are depressed because the top 10 percent of women only want other guys. Yes without a frame of reference they may come off that way. However, most of these guys would settle for any woman that would give them attention. The problem is that even the ugly ones don't give them attention. It's a form of rejection that even fat/ugly (a little sarcasm) girls will never face.
I have seen plenty of guys who will sleep and date anything. Im currently being pursued by a woman that Im not interesed in but now it looks like I gotta take what I can get and try to increase my desireability. Where Im from as women age no matter if she is a single mom, obese, 100k, in debt, autistic, hadd syndrome, all these women can still land a man regardless but for most they want a tier one or ideal man to be with and wont settle for something that does not mirror them or below but up. Just a few days ago I saw a woman with rolls pushing a stroller with a baby inside, Im like who knocked her up? How I Also know a woman she is a hot southern belle and madly in debt, but she in engaged. Im like what simp proposed to her?
I think that is a great point, DJ. Not only is is hypocritical, but IMO keeps those guys in a state of perpetual frustration, because no matter how much "game" they have, they are not going to get those hot supermodel types and spend their lives mad at women because the hot ones are as choosy as THEY themselves are and don't choose them.
I think the men OP speaks of have been watching too much internet porn and now feel entitled to a porn star/model because they are used to that look. Oh well! I don't care if these inferior beings don't procreate.
I think the men OP speaks of have been watching too much internet porn and now feel entitled to a porn star/model because they are used to that look.
It's not just porn, either. Pretty much every Hollywood movie features a regular guy ending up with a gorgeous woman, which convinces us that we each deserve one, if we're just "nice" and try hard enough.
Everything the OP said about the PUA "community" and the bitter guys online is true. (There's a female version of this syndrome, as well.) I wouldn't call this small subset of people the "Online Male Community," though, since nearly half the population is male and most who are in the developed world are on the internet.
The strategies that the people who started the PUA thing espouse do actually work for some guys, but only with insecure and psychologically unhealthy women. That's how abusive relationships form. I'd rather have a healthy relationship, so I stick with the women who are attracted to me when I'm being myself and not playing games. I can see how for guys who aren't able to attract women when they're being themselves, the whole PUA thing could be tempting, which is why there's a whole industry to make money off of those saps.
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