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I think that is a great point, DJ. Not only is is hypocritical, but IMO keeps those guys in a state of perpetual frustration, because no matter how much "game" they have, they are not going to get those hot supermodel types and spend their lives mad at women because the hot ones are as choosy as THEY themselves are and don't choose them.
exactly
It's a very strange phenomenon to me too. You got average dudes who are extremely picky and only want somebody who looks a certain way...yet they get mad at women who are actually beautiful and equally picky as themselves. It doesn't make any sense
Trying to go for women that are out of your league is like trying to get into Harvard, Princeton or Yale with C GPA. Sure you can try but unless your family name is on one of the buildings, you're the son of somebody famous or well connected, or you can run really well with a ball, you're going to be in for disappointment. What's so wrong with going for something within your level? We have to do it in every other facet of life.
they always ***** and moan that women only want a small segment of the population that is socially dominant but the online male community only wants a small segment of the female population that is very beautiful and in great shape. This seems to be true for all guys in this category - even the ones who are average looking, chubby and have mediocre careers feel entitled to a hot babe for no real logical reason. I think the PUA guys encourage this mindset by letting guys feel like they should be getting a hot babe even if they look horrendous and are 50 LBs overweight
In reality, you don't need any "game" or an alpha mindset/confidence to get everyday regular women but a lot of single men (at least the ones I see online) aren't interested in that. They're only interested in the top certain percentage of women who look fantastic. I say this having spent a lot of time on a few online male dominated and other pua forums.
Thoughts?
What's wrong with wanting a hot girl?
You don't want one. Good for you. Some guys do though.
^^^^^this! There are a lot of average, mediocre women(some on this forum) who think they deserve a hot successful doctor or lawyer, or somebody that looks like Channing Tatum.
It's not just porn, either. Pretty much every Hollywood movie features a regular guy ending up with a gorgeous woman, which convinces us that we each deserve one, if we're just "nice" and try hard enough.
I agree but want to point out we women get that message as well starting with fairy tales and going to movies, where a streetwalker end up with a wealthy Richard Gere proposing to her, or a girl gets a job as a servant and ends up with the British Prime Minister in love with her (Love Actually).
^^^^^this! There are a lot of average, mediocre women(some on this forum) who think they deserve a hot successful doctor or lawyer, or somebody that looks like Channing Tatum.
I have found, in my considerable elife experience, that women are much more likely to be aware of and stick near our "league" as guys are. I always knew the hottest lifeguard on the beach had prettier girls lining up and wouldn't have even tried, but knew plenty of average guys who spent half of high school pining for some cheerleader who was not going to give him the time of day.
I'm sure women do this but since I don't date women I don't know. I know for me personally I am realistic and go for people in my league or slightly below.
However, yes many men who are subpar (ugly, fat, poor, old)think they can get the same women as a man who is in a higher league. I saw this often online when a fat man would state "no fatties" or a man around my age seeking younger (though had nothing that a younger woman would want). These guys will find themselves alone the rest of their life unless they change.
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(Love Actually).
