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Both would do well with women, but the vast majority of guys do not fall into either category. Also, given the rise of socialist policies in the developed world, the desirability of a stable provider has greatly diminished to the point where it's effectively a useless trait when attracting a mate in the modern dating world. When young women can always fall back on the government to support them, all they will look for is good looks in the hopes of passing it on to their kids. This is consistent with my experiences and observations of women (primarily from the lower socioeconomic backgrounds) and what they prioritize/prefer in a mate.
I fully agree with that statement, but Im not sure it really makes any difference at all. I believe that attraction is instinctual rather than logical. If that werent the case, one would be able to talk a girl into being attracted to a certain type of man in the same way that one would be able to talk her out of being attracted to other types of men. Neither has ever been possible. I believe that attraction happens at a subconscious level, one that we have no control over. Its either you are attracted to that person, or youre not and that goes for either gender.
In my view, men are attracted to women for their physical traits, because we tend to subconsciously equate youth and beauty with fertility. In reality, the young beautiful woman that most men would die to spend an evening with, may not be fertile at all, yet this fact alone would not stop men from chasing her and finding her attractive. No differnt than a woman who isnt all that good looking, isnt able to go get fertility testing, print it out proff of her exceptional fertility on a large sign and suddenly find herself attractive to a large group of men.
Do women prefer good looking guys, there is no doubt about it. Are there more important traits that women find attractive in a potential male mate other than simply his physical appearance, I strongly believe so. I would never knock your view, because as you say, its based on your unique set of experiences and observations, and obviously they are much different from my own.
I've seen people cross the street when the light was red and cars were fastly approaching. Not one of them was hit by a car. Doesn't mean I'm going to cross the street with the light going on red. I'm sorry that I don't bring the brah motivation speech. We could go smash some sloots, brah. U diggin' me Alpha brah bro? And while you're at it don't forget to mention that women have far more sexual options, hence why there are so few of them out there sexually frustrated when compared with men. Brah, brah.
Hey, brah. Visit the divorce forums sometime. Or the stories of the men who were unjustly accused of rape. They should've approached 500 women moar, brah. Or how women can sleep with a man, regret it next day and call it rape, brah broooOO.
Good call. Def be scared of women. I have a feeling you're a serious creep around women which is why you're like this. If you have no problems having female friends then trying to have a relationship is not much worse.
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The major irony of you PUA types is that you constantly harp on about how "women are not some superior species, they are humans with faults and shortcomings" yet you speak of these "senses" women possess as if a "lack of confidence" is some all pervasive, invisible field that emanates from us and women have the mysterious, non-human ability to sense it.
The reality of the matter is, characteristics such as "personality" and "confidence" are not such well defined qualities. Most of the time, a good looking man no matter how he acts will be perceived as confident, charismatic, and possessing a good personality while an ugly man will be perceived to be creepy, a loser, and possessing a terrible personality even if this couldn't be further from the truth. Such is the nature of the world we live in.
An entertaining yet truthful video that explains this phenomenon that the way one's actions are perceived is directly related to your looks:
So you're saying that confidence isn't a readily noticeable feature? Right...
Women and men can both sense it but I feel like women probably place more value on a man with confidence as opposed to a woman with confidence.
A lot of people seem to confuse confidence with cocky or what so many guys here consider the "bad boys" personality that women go after.
Having confidence is not something that just involves meeting the opposite sex. There are MANY other places where confidence comes in place.
At work discussing things with clients, bosses, coworkers, your own employees.
In public, dealing with sales people, auto places, etc.
When you are negotiating a vehicle sale if you don't have cajones you will get walked all over or not get the deal you want.
I have been offered a job for every single interview I've ever had except for one. And that one was for a movie rental place in high school where they had an entire "interview day." I've never had a really strong resume or background. I would place 90% of my success in interviews on my confidence. Being able to look them in the eye and be genuine and honest. And when they ask me something I don't know they would rather have someone who can give them a confident answer regardless of what it is than someone who gets all nervous and fumbles and stutters. Who wants a pushover in a management position?
So you're saying that confidence isn't a readily noticeable feature? Right...
Women and men can both sense it but I feel like women probably place more value on a man with confidence as opposed to a woman with confidence.
A lot of people seem to confuse confidence with cocky or what so many guys here consider the "bad boys" personality that women go after.
Having confidence is not something that just involves meeting the opposite sex. There are MANY other places where confidence comes in place.
At work discussing things with clients, bosses, coworkers, your own employees.
In public, dealing with sales people, auto places, etc.
When you are negotiating a vehicle sale if you don't have cajones you will get walked all over or not get the deal you want.
I have been offered a job for every single interview I've ever had except for one. And that one was for a movie rental place in high school where they had an entire "interview day." I've never had a really strong resume or background. I would place 90% of my success in interviews on my confidence. Being able to look them in the eye and be genuine and honest. And when they ask me something I don't know they would rather have someone who can give them a confident answer regardless of what it is than someone who gets all nervous and fumbles and stutters. Who wants a pushover in a management position?
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Don't get me wrong, confidence and charisma can be great qualities for a person to have in general, especially when it comes to the workforce. Too many times have I seen the most competent people being passed up for promotions because they weren't smooth talkers. So I don't disagree with you that having these traits are a good thing in general.
The disagreement arises when it comes to women. All things equal, sure most women would prefer a man with confidence than a man without, but most things are almost never equal and these hypothetical scenarios only ever play out in thought experiments. Women will always prefer the socially awkward, weird good looking guy to the ugly but charismatic, confident man. Why? Because "confidence" is not something you can pass off onto your offspring, and hence evolution never selects for it as a desirable trait to pass on. Of course, this scenario often never happens in the real world because most good looking guys tend to be confident and have great social skills. Why? Because success breeds confidence, and being good looking male widens the social experiences one can have to polish their social skills. If an ugly man continues to be rejected and shunned socially (not being invited to gatherings, hanging out, etc) even if he was confident and charismatic will eventually end up losing that confidence and inevitably will end up socially awkward.
I think the true test for a man is IF she thinks your genes are good enough to let you impregnate her. Will she marry you and have a baby? If not, it's a coffee date.....
I think the true test for a man is IF she thinks your genes are good enough to let you impregnate her. Will she marry you and have a baby? If not, it's a coffee date.....
Move on.....
First, in dating today, men and women generally don't want any pregnancy to occur, so I don't think your 'real test' is relevant in most cases.
Second, if women are attracted to bad boys with confidence - overwhelmingly preferred to smart boys who lack confidence and social grace - I don't see how good genes are being selected.
Intelligence e.g. IQ is largely inherited and thus a product of genes, confidence and social graces are products of environment and not so much inherited so I'm not getting the theory of selection for good genes,
I fully agree with that statement, but Im not sure it really makes any difference at all. I believe that attraction is instinctual rather than logical. If that werent the case, one would be able to talk a girl into being attracted to a certain type of man in the same way that one would be able to talk her out of being attracted to other types of men. Neither has ever been possible. I believe that attraction happens at a subconscious level, one that we have no control over. Its either you are attracted to that person, or youre not and that goes for either gender.
In my view, men are attracted to women for their physical traits, because we tend to subconsciously equate youth and beauty with fertility. In reality, the young beautiful woman that most men would die to spend an evening with, may not be fertile at all, yet this fact alone would not stop men from chasing her and finding her attractive. No differnt than a woman who isnt all that good looking, isnt able to go get fertility testing, print it out proff of her exceptional fertility on a large sign and suddenly find herself attractive to a large group of men.
Do women prefer good looking guys, there is no doubt about it. Are there more important traits that women find attractive in a potential male mate other than simply his physical appearance, I strongly believe so. I would never knock your view, because as you say, its based on your unique set of experiences and observations, and obviously they are much different from my own.
And what does it matter what women might find attractive in a man besides his looks? The women who are in their late teens and in their 20's are only interested in how a guy looks, how tall he is, how thick his hair is, and how many of their(the women's) girlfriends want to bang the same guy.
You're right that as a woman ages she finds meaning in things beyond a man's looks but that's because she's looking into settling down and a Brad Pitt face unless it comes attached to a big, fat check is not going to make her view the guy as marriage material.
Thing is, women in their late 20's and early 30's are looking for marriage and the men who date them are not only getting sloppy seconds, they're also being sized up for their ability to provide for a woman. Unless the woman is a forever 18 year year old blonde Angelina Jolie who also happens to love to have sex 5 times a day and is up for anything - its not worth relating to women past the age of 28.
besides the fact that you being a provider is not going to make a woman sexually aroused. She will deign to having sex with you because its part of her objectives. She needs to secure your resources, your house and your future income. But she ain't banging you. Banging is when you make a woman so aroused she instantly has sex with you and doesn't expect you to date her. What most men have is reproductive sex.
It consists in sexual activity that might not have immediate reproductive effects but its done by the woman as a way to secure the guys commitment. Like when you pay off your car a share per month. The car ain't yours ,yet.
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Intelligence e.g. IQ is largely inherited and thus a product of genes, confidence and social graces are products of environment and not so much inherited so I'm not getting the theory of selection for good genes,
Dude, stop thinking with your brain. Good genes to women is not how intelligent or resourceful(which is a byproduct of High intelligence) the man is. If that was the case Einstein, Stephen Hawkings, Tesla and Sir Isaac Newton would've had thousands and thousands of women wanting to jump their bones.
To a woman's reptilian brain what consists in good genes is how many women want to sleep with the guy. They assume their offspring would have the guy's good-looks genes/height and women would be far more likely to sleep with their sons, thus their own genetic material would survive into infinity.
Good call. Def be scared of women. I have a feeling you're a serious creep around women which is why you're like this. If you have no problems having female friends then trying to have a relationship is not much worse.
I have a feeling your social circle is comprised of equally douchey meatbags such like yourself, so what you believe me to be or not to be is irrelevant. Befriend older men. The men who are in their 40's and upwards, and also befriend average looking men. Now, go off to smash so bishes, braaaah.
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