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Old 10-20-2015, 03:51 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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For some reason there is a giant misconception about what a double standard is. Probably because people have a hard time accepting the truth. A double standard is when two people (groups of people) are held to two different standards when going through the same situation. However, it does not apply to two people going through very different situations. Nor does it apply to two very different people going through the same situation.

For example, we have an old man and a young man. The old man has back problems, his muscles are wasting, he is in pain. The young 20 year old man is fit and in his prime. A couch needs to be moved. Should society hold the young man and old man to the same standard? Why should the young man always be expected to get up and have the hassle of doing it when in a group setting? Obviously because it is much easier for him to move it. This is not a double standard.

Another example, a man and a woman are having an argument. They start fighting, the woman hits the guy, the guy hits the woman. The guy gets arrested the woman goes home as a victim. Why shouldn't a guy be allowed to hit a woman? Obviously because men and women are different. Women are smaller, have less muscle mass, are not as aggressive/assertive like men. A guy should never hit a woman. This is not a double standard.

What is a double standard? A good example would be a white man and black man applying for the same job. Both went to the same school, got similar marks, have a similar resume, interviewed similarly, etc. However the white guy gets the job every time because the interviewer made illegitimate assumptions about the black man. Both men have the same same skills, experience, and ability but are treated differently.

Now we move on to the man is a stud but a woman is a **** misunderstanding. Men and women are not same; we are different. We do not have the same bodies. We do have have the same hormones. We do not look for the same things in the opposite sex. We do not have to put in an equal amount of effort. In other words, we are both apart of very different groups. Why should we have the same standards?

For example, an average man walks into a bar and asks 100 women if they want to have sex! Probably not going to go over well. He should expect rejection, ridicule, and negativity from most of the women. The ones ones who are willing to consent would most likely be lonely women going through emotional distress, insecure women looking for attention/validation, or women brainwashed by feminist culture. Now let's reverse that. An average single woman walks into a bar and asks 100 men if they want to have a one night stand! What do you think is going to happen? An average young woman can have sex every single day of her life if she chooses to.

There is a reason there are a disproportionate amount of female prostitutes vs male prostitutes. Did you know that most male escorts don't typically have sex with the women they are "dating"? Most male escorts take lonely women out to social events. Some want to make their coworkers think they are more successful than they are. Some are just looking for company.

Men and women do not have the same sex drive nor do look for the same qualities in a mate. For men, the way a women looks and whether or not she respects herself sexually is very important. Women on the other hand care about a man's financially security, his height, how he presents himself, how he interacts with others, ability to commit to a relationship. etc. Have you ever met a man that said she's not my type because shes not tall enough. We both want different things but feminism dictates that women shouldn't care about what men find attractive. Perhaps we should not care about what women find attractive either. Commitment what the hell is that?

If you want to remain congruent in your argument that we should all be treated as equals, than we should all be treated as equals in every respect. Women should have to haul heavy stuff on their own. Women are no longer sluts but have to start asking men out, paying for dates, taking risks, opening doors, taking out the trash. Women need to defend themselves against a potential attacker. A man should be able to hit a woman and a woman should be able to hit a man as long as it's self-defense.

The truth is it's all BS. We are not all the same. We live in a politically correct society now that strives to make everyone feel warm and self-important. Not everything everyone does is acceptable. Gender exists for a reason. Our species would not have evolved to have the sexes if there wasn't a reason for it. Why society feels the need to reject gender and the standards that are associated with it are beyond me.

As for me being a prude. That is laughable.

I'm not a misogynist, I just resent feminists.
It's a double standard because it is socially acceptable for a man to have casual sex, but not for a woman.
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Old 10-20-2015, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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I really doesn't matter whether your fiancé or you feel ashamed. What matters, now, is that you both can honor your Christian marriage vows.
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Old 10-20-2015, 03:59 PM
 
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Originally Posted by FrontierMan View Post
For some reason there is a giant misconception about what a double standard is. Probably because people have a hard time accepting the truth. A double standard is when two people (groups of people) are held to two different standards when going through the same situation. However, it does not apply to two people going through very different situations. Nor does it apply to two very different people going through the same situation.

For example, we have an old man and a young man. The old man has back problems, his muscles are wasting, he is in pain. The young 20 year old man is fit and in his prime. A couch needs to be moved. Should society hold the young man and old man to the same standard? Why should the young man always be expected to get up and have the hassle of doing it when in a group setting? Obviously because it is much easier for him to move it. This is not a double standard.

Another example, a man and a woman are having an argument. They start fighting, the woman hits the guy, the guy hits the woman. The guy gets arrested the woman goes home as a victim. Why shouldn't a guy be allowed to hit a woman? Obviously because men and women are different. Women are smaller, have less muscle mass, are not as aggressive/assertive like men. A guy should never hit a woman. This is not a double standard.

What is a double standard? A good example would be a white man and black man applying for the same job. Both went to the same school, got similar marks, have a similar resume, interviewed similarly, etc. However the white guy gets the job every time because the interviewer made illegitimate assumptions about the black man. Both men have the same same skills, experience, and ability but are treated differently.

Now we move on to the man is a stud but a woman is a **** misunderstanding. Men and women are not same; we are different. We do not have the same bodies. We do have have the same hormones. We do not look for the same things in the opposite sex. We do not have to put in an equal amount of effort. In other words, we are both apart of very different groups. Why should we have the same standards?

For example, an average man walks into a bar and asks 100 women if they want to have sex! Probably not going to go over well. He should expect rejection, ridicule, and negativity from most of the women. The ones ones who are willing to consent would most likely be lonely women going through emotional distress, insecure women looking for attention/validation, or women brainwashed by feminist culture. Now let's reverse that. An average single woman walks into a bar and asks 100 men if they want to have a one night stand! What do you think is going to happen? An average young woman can have sex every single day of her life if she chooses to.

There is a reason there are a disproportionate amount of female prostitutes vs male prostitutes. Did you know that most male escorts don't typically have sex with the women they are "dating"? Most male escorts take lonely women out to social events. Some want to make their coworkers think they are more successful than they are. Some are just looking for company.

Men and women do not have the same sex drive nor do look for the same qualities in a mate. For men, the way a women looks and whether or not she respects herself sexually is very important. Women on the other hand care about a man's financially security, his height, how he presents himself, how he interacts with others, ability to commit to a relationship. etc. Have you ever met a man that said she's not my type because shes not tall enough. We both want different things but feminism dictates that women shouldn't care about what men find attractive. Perhaps we should not care about what women find attractive either. Commitment what the hell is that?

If you want to remain congruent in your argument that we should all be treated as equals, than we should all be treated as equals in every respect. Women should have to haul heavy stuff on their own. Women are no longer sluts but have to start asking men out, paying for dates, taking risks, opening doors, taking out the trash. Women need to defend themselves against a potential attacker. A man should be able to hit a woman and a woman should be able to hit a man as long as it's self-defense.

The truth is it's all BS. We are not all the same. We live in a politically correct society now that strives to make everyone feel warm and self-important. Not everything everyone does is acceptable. Gender exists for a reason. Our species would not have evolved to have the sexes if there wasn't a reason for it. Why society feels the need to reject gender and the standards that are associated with it are beyond me.

As for me being a prude. That is laughable.

I'm not a misogynist, I just resent feminists.
Here's a clue, little man. A woman with good self esteem wouldn't touch a man who has been with hookers. THAT's disgusting.

And plenty of women do all the things you mention. Keep beating your chest though.

The thing I like best about this thread is it brings you all out of the woodwork so I can do a mass block all at once.
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Old 10-20-2015, 04:21 PM
 
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Why do men choose to speak for women, all women? We are just as diverse and unique as men. We do not want the same things or feel the same about issues. Some of us have very strong sex drives, and some of us don't, just like men. Some of us would find the fact that a man slept with a hooker a dealbreaker, just like some men would not accept a woman who slept with a man for money. I would not date or marry a man who paid a woman for sex. It demeans women in my opinion, and paints a negative picture of the man and his lack of respect for himself and women. OP, you can marry this woman or not, but if you do, forget her past and be grateful she is willing to forget yours.
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Old 10-20-2015, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Brentwood, Tennessee
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I really doesn't matter whether your fiancé or you feel ashamed. What matters, now, is that you both can honor your Christian marriage vows.
Yep.

The way I understand it: "Every saint has a past; every sinner has a future."
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Old 10-20-2015, 04:51 PM
 
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It's a double standard because it is socially acceptable for a man to have casual sex, but not for a woman.
Lol, you still don't get it. A man is not a woman and a woman is not a man. Are you going to hold a kid to the same standard as an adult? You fail to understand what the basic definition of a double standard is.
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Old 10-20-2015, 05:04 PM
 
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Wow, this thread has legs. I'm just going to put her past behind me and look at what she was doing before this period and after this period. I never judged her for it, just trying to figure out what to do with the information. Talked to my counselor and he said that she has forgiven all of your past and moved on, so you should do the same.

I went ahead and updated her phone so that Apple Spotlight does not show any of her deleted emails or messages at all. So no way to go back and accidentally see anything. One of the reasons she gave me the phone was to clean it up so that I could use it as my phone and not have to buy an iPhone.

Dating in your late 40's and beyond is a messy business. Really have to be able to look past a partner's shortcomings and mistakes, just like they have to look past yours.
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Old 10-20-2015, 05:20 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Lol, you still don't get it. A man is not a woman and a woman is not a man. Are you going to hold a kid to the same standard as an adult? You fail to understand what the basic definition of a double standard is.
Let's look it up on dictionary.com.


noun
1.
any code or set of principles containing different provisions for one group of people than for another, especially an unwritten code of sexual behavior permitting men more freedom than women.


Double-standard | Define Double-standard at Dictionary.com
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Old 10-20-2015, 05:23 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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I will agree with you on one thing: Having sex with a prostitute is disgusting regardless of sex. It is disgusting because of disease and because you are paying for sex. There is no challenge or respect in paying for a ho.

Sex in general however, is what men are built for. There is nothing wrong with a guy striving to sleep with women. It's as natural as it gets.

Nowadays, there is some kind of weird gender rebellion/reversal thing going on. Androgyny is the new cool.... Insecure women can do what they want and don't need to feel bad about it. Only problem is they're not really doing what they want. Then they rationalize the whole thing so they don't have to feel bad about it.

Mass block, lol. What are trying to meet random guys on the internet? Maybe try the pub . Should be able to get picked up quickly unless you're not the type that guys go for.
By and large, people do what they want to do.
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Old 10-20-2015, 05:25 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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Wow, this thread has legs. I'm just going to put her past behind me and look at what she was doing before this period and after this period. I never judged her for it, just trying to figure out what to do with the information. Talked to my counselor and he said that she has forgiven all of your past and moved on, so you should do the same.

I went ahead and updated her phone so that Apple Spotlight does not show any of her deleted emails or messages at all. So no way to go back and accidentally see anything. One of the reasons she gave me the phone was to clean it up so that I could use it as my phone and not have to buy an iPhone.

Dating in your late 40's and beyond is a messy business. Really have to be able to look past a partner's shortcomings and mistakes, just like they have to look past yours.
That is true at any age, isn't it?

Best of luck to you both.
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