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Old 07-04-2019, 07:24 PM
 
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That's an overly positive spin on basically replacing some negative behaviors with others. Many people have multiple drives. The healthiest is toward mutually committed, loving relationships. Society should push back toward that.



What's largely a relationship myth (zero effort) is now bad for you. That and everything else in those few paragraphs tell me you probably should discuss things with a therapist.
She needs to discuss things with a therapist? Now that's funny. LOL!!!

One thing to look at is what you are doing with your time. In my experience, women tend to go for the busier men. If your whole life revolves only around women, then you aren't getting anywhere. Women want men who are going places in their lives.

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Old 07-04-2019, 07:33 PM
 
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That's because, for reasons unknown, you don't want that type of movement succeed. My posting history shows I'm not about to quit. I like my good causes.
Not for reasons unknown. It's all over the thread. It sounds forceful for one thing and the (real) reason for your movement does not sound...noble.

You don't need a movement. You need a wingman.
 
Old 07-04-2019, 09:32 PM
 
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It is forceful. That's how change happens. Being nice doesn't go very far. (Most women value pushiness over niceness, just not directed at them.) The end result ought to be satisfying to people, anyway, for the dream of being happily married is very common.
 
Old 07-04-2019, 09:40 PM
 
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Sounds like a sick plot for a super villain in a movie. You can't make people date. So just stop already. Seek a professional who can help you work through your delusions.
 
Old 07-04-2019, 10:27 PM
 
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Colleges could very nearly force students to date, by repeatedly having nights where campuses shut down early (cable and Internet included) except for mixers. Do we want people marrying very young again, though?

It would be nice if dating companies went directly to universities to recruit older students to join. Rather strange if they haven't tried that.

I'm just working on turning the tide so that people start making effort anew and in turn boost the struggling dating scene.

Edit: I think single women who have mostly been sitting it out for years might not realize how bad it has gotten. Paying to go on dates is quietly growing in popularity, so yes, people can be cajoled into dating, that method being horrendous and undermining any respectable end goal. Probably many single men who aren't having much success would be happy if a significant number of women joined the scene, and I think very few people would object to such an increase. I don't know if American government would ever step in to cajole, but in some other countries financial incentives have been created for citizens to have children, which is a closely linked subject (e.g., women who don't try to date probably won't end up having kids). This isn't a minor issue, and it's happening in many parts of the world.

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Old 07-05-2019, 12:17 AM
 
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Edit: I think single women who have mostly been sitting it out for years might not realize how bad it has gotten. Paying to go on dates is quietly growing in popularity, so yes, people can be cajoled into dating, that method being horrendous and undermining any respectable end goal. Probably many single men who aren't having much success would be happy if a significant number of women joined the scene, and I think very few people would object to such an increase. I don't know if American government would ever step in to cajole, but in some other countries financial incentives have been created for citizens to have children, which is a closely linked subject (e.g., women who don't try to date probably won't end up having kids). This isn't a minor issue, and it's happening in many parts of the world.
I wouldn’t be happy. Cajoled? She was cajoled into dating me? That’s not going to end well. I want to be with a woman who WANTS to be with me. Otherwise, I might as well hire an escort...at least she’ll ACT happy rather than someone who has been “cajoled” by...the government? Seriously? And I think there are probably plenty of women who want to date but who don’t want kids.

If a woman is inclined to be single rather than go out with me (and lots of them have chosen the former over the latter) then we’re BOTH better off than if she’s dating me because she was “cajoled” into it.
 
Old 07-05-2019, 12:23 AM
 
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Old 07-05-2019, 12:27 AM
 
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I'm happier single right now because my marriage was bad and stressful the last couple of year and I breathed a sigh of relief the day he moved out. Eventually I may wish for companionship with another partner but I have never been a single adult before and it's pretty nice not to have to consider anyone else when living my life. I'm very content. I'm REALLY happy I had kids though! I had a blast raising them and we have a great relationship now that they are adults.
 
Old 07-05-2019, 01:32 AM
 
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I had the author's underlying claim in mind when I made this thread. I discredited it and then found so had experts who looked into it. Apparently every few years going back decades, somebody twists data into that claim, for publicity.


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I wouldn’t be happy. Cajoled? She was cajoled into dating me? That’s not going to end well. I want to be with a woman who WANTS to be with me. Otherwise, I might as well hire an escort...at least she’ll ACT happy rather than someone who has been “cajoled” by...the government? Seriously? And I think there are probably plenty of women who want to date but who don’t want kids.

If a woman is inclined to be single rather than go out with me (and lots of them have chosen the former over the latter) then we’re BOTH better off than if she’s dating me because she was “cajoled” into it.
It's more about being cajoled to having an active online dating account or going to a singles event. Still, even going on a first date with someone based on a sense of social obligation could turn into a successful relationship. That happens sometimes. Your own pride and pessimism are clouding your mind.
 
Old 07-05-2019, 01:59 AM
 
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It's more about being cajoled to having an active online dating account or going to a singles event. Still, even going on a first date with someone based on a sense of social obligation could turn into a successful relationship. That happens sometimes. Your own pride and pessimism are clouding your mind.
Really? It happens sometimes? Okay, Mr. Sagan, let’s see your extraordinary evidence. Who dates out of a sense of social obligation? How many people? What is the prevalence of people who actually undertake that scenario becoming involved in successful relationships as a result? Back up your extraordinary claim to my “clouded mind.”
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