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Old 08-21-2008, 08:50 PM
 
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Sorry guys. A contract is a contract. I just don't believe in breaking them out of convenience. It's an ethical short cut, no matter how one rationalizes.

Several years ago, I signed a one-year contract with a client of mine where I greatly underestimated the amount of work involved in the job. I was not misled. I had plenty of opportunity to perform due diligence. I basically lost my shirt on it. But there was no way I was going to break it. So when the contract was up, I brought my hours over the previous year to show the client during renegotiation. The client was so impressed, that he signed me up for two more years at far more satisfactory rate.
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Old 08-21-2008, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Tucson
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Sorry guys. A contract is a contract. I just don't believe in breaking them out of convenience. It's an ethical short cut, no matter how one rationalizes.
I don't know... AZ is at will state. I can leave or be kicked out with 2 weeks notice at any given time for any reason.
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Old 08-21-2008, 08:55 PM
 
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I don't know... AZ is at will state. I can leave or be kicked out with 2 weeks notice at any given time for any reason.
True. But that's a totally different situation.
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Old 08-21-2008, 08:57 PM
 
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True. But that's a totally different situation.
Short of the different contracts and details, I still think her own and her family's well-being is the top priority!
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Old 08-21-2008, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Tucson
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My position remains the same. A contract is a contract. It is your word, committed to paper.
In the context of our forum - so is marriage, cpg, and we break these contracts all the time, don't we... with a lot more at stake, I'd say.
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Old 08-21-2008, 08:59 PM
 
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Short of the different contracts and details, I still think her own and her family's well-being is the top priority!
A good point. But I would offer that her professional reputation is extraordinarily important, too. It would have to be a severe hardship for my family to break my word.
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Old 08-21-2008, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Up above the world so high!
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See, I think that constitutes situational ethics. She signed a contract, which is tantamount to giving her word. Based on that contract, her current employer has already made arrangements. Now, with less than a week to go she's going to break her contract, causing all kinds of problems for the people who hired her in the first place.

The other thing I would offer is that this is a short-term contract, not a lifetime employment. So the standard employer/employee gripes really don't apply.
Just curious cpg - do you have any children?
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Old 08-21-2008, 10:00 PM
 
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I agree. Quitting will burn them bridges good.

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Quitting after one week will burn bridiges I'm sure. Although burning this bridge doesn't matter. I had no intention of returning to this school next year because wihtout latch key (my kids will be too old next year) my girls would have been left sitting out in front of their school for 2 hours every day waiting for me if I stayed here.

The administrator who cued me in that I may get an offer told me she never would have approached me if the school year had started but does not consider a change now unethical. She says it happens all the time that teachers take one job and then another better offer comes along. Her take is if I did it after school started, which I would be if I gave the required 14 days notice in my contract, I would be.
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Old 08-22-2008, 03:42 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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In any event, what matters is what is better for YOU! You see any employer loyal to you and keeping you for a lifetime and improving your standard of living and giving you a golden watch at your retirement party....?
Absolutely not.
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Old 08-22-2008, 03:44 AM
 
Location: Whoville....
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Sorry guys. A contract is a contract. I just don't believe in breaking them out of convenience. It's an ethical short cut, no matter how one rationalizes.

Several years ago, I signed a one-year contract with a client of mine where I greatly underestimated the amount of work involved in the job. I was not misled. I had plenty of opportunity to perform due diligence. I basically lost my shirt on it. But there was no way I was going to break it. So when the contract was up, I brought my hours over the previous year to show the client during renegotiation. The client was so impressed, that he signed me up for two more years at far more satisfactory rate.
In my case, I did not have time to perform due dilligance. The offer was made during the interview on Friday afternoon. I was given until 8:00 on Monday to decide. Though I have to admit that sicne I'd lose my unemployment benefits if I said no, I would have said yes anyway. I would have just told my kids what I've already told them that they have no choice but to switch schools even though it means them going to a very scary school (fights so bad they have police on staff). I just didn't have a choice. Now I may.

If I had known I was under consideration for this job, I would have given a conditional acceptance.
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