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Old 11-23-2008, 12:32 PM
 
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I have a question. When did Hispanic become a race???? It is a culture.
I am both baffled and angered by this whole Hispanic definition. I've only given it more attention during the last 10 years as easily 1/3 of my friends have some Hispanic roots, but all of them are educated working folks, so they don't concern themselves too much with affirmative action.

In my mind, if you are Spanish OR if you are from Central and South America, and you can trace all your ancestry to Spain, or another European country, then step up to the plate, and check the box for Caucasian. This includes the Cuban for whom all of their ancestors stomped onto the Canary Islands en route to the Caribbean, the Chilean whose grandparents came from Spain or Germany, and the Argentine whose grandparents came from Italy.

The Hispanic box, in my mind, is for the person who may "need" some affirmative action protection because they have some indigenous blood and have a presentation that might kick off the "not one of us" response by a redneck American...the people who the Spanish conquistadores in South America were not very kind to...you know, the poor village folks who hang out in ponchos around Macchu Picchu or you see in those towns which time forgot around Mayan temples in Mexico. Therefore, Lorenzo Lamas and Ricardo Montalban should never be (or should never have been) checking the Hispanic box.

 
Old 11-23-2008, 12:32 PM
 
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Hispanic is not purely a culture

Hispanic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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I have a question. When did Hispanic become a race???? It is a culture.
 
Old 11-23-2008, 12:36 PM
 
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I am both baffled and angered by this whole Hispanic definition. I've only given it more attention during the last 10 years as easily 1/3 of my friends have some Hispanic roots, but all of them are educated working folks, so they don't concern themselves too much with affirmative action.

In my mind, if you are Spanish OR if you are from Central and South America, and you can trace all your ancestry to Spain, or another European country, then step up to the plate, and check the box for Caucasian. This includes the Cuban for whom all of their ancestors stomped onto the Canary Islands en route to the Caribbean, the Chilean whose grandparents came from Spain or Germany, and the Argentine whose grandparents came from Italy.

The Hispanic box, in my mind, is for the person who may "need" some affirmative action protection because they have some indigenous blood and have a presentation that might kick off the "not one of us" response by a redneck American...the people who the Spanish conquistadores in South America were not very kind to...you know, the poor village folks who hang out in ponchos around Macchu Picchu or you see in those towns which time forgot around Mayan temples in Mexico. Therefore, Lorenzo Lamas and Ricardo Montalban should never be (or should never have been) checking the Hispanic box.

What's wrong with South American, Mexican, Argentinian. Even Latino.
 
Old 11-23-2008, 12:37 PM
 
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lol wrong. The word Hispanic is derived from a person having origins in Spain.

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I am both baffled and angered by this whole Hispanic definition. I've only given it more attention during the last 10 years as easily 1/3 of my friends have some Hispanic roots, but all of them are educated working folks, so they don't concern themselves too much with affirmative action.

In my mind, if you are Spanish OR if you are from Central and South America, and you can trace all your ancestry to Spain, or another European country, then step up to the plate, and check the box for Caucasian. This includes the Cuban for whom all of their ancestors stomped onto the Canary Islands en route to the Caribbean, the Chilean whose grandparents came from Spain or Germany, and the Argentine whose grandparents came from Italy.

The Hispanic box, in my mind, is for the person who may "need" some affirmative action protection because they have some indigenous blood and have a presentation that might kick off the "not one of us" response by a redneck American...the people who the Spanish conquistadores in South America were not very kind to...you know, the poor village folks who hang out in ponchos around Macchu Picchu or you see in those towns which time forgot around Mayan temples in Mexico. Therefore, Lorenzo Lamas and Ricardo Montalban should never be (or should never have been) checking the Hispanic box.
 
Old 11-23-2008, 12:40 PM
 
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Hispanic is not purely a culture

Hispanic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thanks! Very cool, especially the map and the country grid that follows. Didn't know the Portuguese were included, but they are Iberian.

Still, look at the dominance of some European groups in Southern South America. Even though the affirmative action definition covers them, I think it's kind of a cop out for some very WHITE South Americans to check that box.
 
Old 11-23-2008, 12:43 PM
 
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Hispanic is not purely a culture

Hispanic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
OK, this is the thing. I own land south of Tela, Honduras. There are Caucasians born in the area and blacks. What are they???
 
Old 11-23-2008, 12:43 PM
 
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What's wrong with South American, Mexican, Argentinian. Even Latino.
Nothing. You missed my point. The WHITER people of South America probably would not be subject to discrimination and, once here in the US or Canada, tend to be highly educated and fare very well. The wiki article finishes off by talking about the creation of this definition for affirmative action purposes.
 
Old 11-23-2008, 12:44 PM
 
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OK, this is the thing. I own land south of Tela, Honduras. There are Caucasians born in the area and blacks. What are they???
They are, in my mind, Caucasian and Black, for census purposes. Or that's what they should indicate.
 
Old 11-23-2008, 12:46 PM
 
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They could be blended with different races but be of Hispanic origins or ethnicity. If they are then they are Hispanics or considered mixed.

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OK, this is the thing. I own land south of Tela, Honduras. There are Caucasians born in the area and blacks. What are they???
 
Old 11-23-2008, 12:51 PM
 
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They are, in my mind, Caucasian and Black, for census purposes. Or that's what they should indicate.
That is what they tell me too!!!! That is why I say Hispanic is a culture. They are very much Hispanic however, their race is not.
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