Sex for sex sake vs paying for sex (girlfriends, beautiful, legal)
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You're 100% correct
EXCEPT
in your attempted insult.
Prostitution, a "job" in which women are trafficked, can and does exploit women. Which was exactly what I said:
and my point is that it can occur in ANY type of labor; household, farming, nanny, salons, hospitality etc..
BUT
only sex work is illegal.
You could have said that exploitation can occur in any job... but instead you linked a case of sex work trafficking insinuating that those are the only ones that mattered.
People who equate trafficking with sex work should educate themselves. It is not a sex issue but a labor issue.
Does, in some instances, prostitution exploit it's workers (primarily female)? Yes, or no?
Likewise, in some instances, does [insert other job here] exploit workers? Yes or no?
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You could have said that exploitation can occur in any job... but instead you linked a case of sex work trafficking insinuating that those are the only ones that mattered.
My comment, recall, was in response to this
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Originally Posted by Bo_Lorem
Escorts are charging $200 to $250 an "hour". What occupation do you know that pays at that rate? Of course money is the primary motivation.
And they say prostitution exploits women lmao
It's no different than if I said, in a discussion about cake that, "cake has sugar"
and you replied, "you're insinuating that pie doesn't also have sugar".
Morality is one thing, the suppression of prostitution while not consensual sex is a matter of social control. We reward men for good citizenship by giving them access to a sexual partner. If he can short circuit that reward just because he has extra money than another step has to be taken to try to entice a man to act in a socially acceptable way.
Sure it "can". Just talk to some escorts sometime. You'll find that the overwhelming majority of cases is not is as described.
They are more than willing participants, they know exactly what they are doing, and they can make $1000 + a day easy on four clients or so.
They are not the victims as they are painted as rest assured. Not sure if the same can be said for the sorry sap paying out $250. Sounds like the exploitation is going in the other direction.
Sure it "can". Just talk to some escorts sometime. You'll find that the overwhelming majority of cases is not is as described.
They are more than willing participants, they know exactly what they are doing, and they can make $1000 + a day easy on four clients or so.
They are not the victims as they are painted as rest assured. Not sure if the same can be said for the sorry sap paying out $250. Sounds like the exploitation is going in the other direction.
I expect there are plenty of willing participants, plenty of not so willing participants, plenty who got into it because they didn't feel they had a lot of other viable options, and plenty who get into it wanting to do it but find themselves in a bad situation.
If however, prostitution were legalized and regulated appropriately, then those who are willing could do it without persecution in safer and healthier ways, those who are unwilling could be perhaps more readily saved or protected, those who need a life option for a while but maybe not forever could do it and move on when they were ready, those who got into it would be less likely to find themselves at the mercy of a heavy handed pimp or worse.
It's something people aren't going to STOP doing just because it's against the law anyways, and it could be victimless, or at least moreso than it is today.
Another facet...when people engage in illegal activities, they come into more contact with other people who break the law in other ways. I would imagine that making prostitution a legal, regulated, and more respectable profession would lessen the extent to which women who do this are also exposed to and involved with other criminal activity. And criminals at higher levels profit from supplying illicit demand, whether that be drugs, guns, or human beings.
Sure it "can". Just talk to some escorts sometime. You'll find that the overwhelming majority of cases is not is as described.
They are more than willing participants, they know exactly what they are doing, and they can make $1000 + a day easy on four clients or so.
They are not the victims as they are painted as rest assured. Not sure if the same can be said for the sorry sap paying out $250. Sounds like the exploitation is going in the other direction.
You know very well that citation is not possible. If prostitution were legal and registered/regulated then the statistics would exist. Statistics and studies around prostitution derive data mainly from safe houses and clinics. It is no surprise that they are bent towards those that I would consider victims. Willing working prostitutes would not participate in such studies out of fear of loosing the safety net of anonymity.
I happen to have a circle of friends who are prostitutes. I know I cannot prove or disprove this but you are more than welcome to check my previous posts that mention them over the years.
Not one is forced nor coerced. Most you would never know if you met them.
If only a few are denied dominion their body and how they choose to use it, legalization of prostitution is absolutely a worthy issue to address. You don't need a majority to determine personal rights over one's self.
My husband was talking about what sex is and why someone would have it came up in conversation recently. We were talking about rape, but the content is sort of applicable here too. I find paying for sex distasteful though recognize that it is likely a bias. If I just want to get off, my toys are much more efficient than sex. Sex is a partnership of 2 people enjoying each other whether it is in the context of building a loving bond or 2 people who just want to have fun. DH's perspective is that if you are starving, even a saltine tastes delicious. I have never been starving, so saltines taste nasty to me. I think I kind of get it.
By the way, I am not advocating this as a good excuse to rape.
That's not why men rape, though. That's why they pay for sex. Two very different topics.
No, "exploited" because the price is ridiculous for the product.
$1500 for two hours? Does a surgeon even make that for a consult? A CPA? A teacher?
A gal getting $500-$2000 for an evening's work is the one having the last laugh, in my opinion.
Men can really be fools when it comes to p***y. Do they really believe a hot 20-something is turned on by their 50+ flabby physique?
If a gal can take financial advantage of men's silly desperation/weird kinks/ego issues, why not?
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