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Old 07-08-2009, 10:10 AM
 
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The Conditions Essential for Creating Man or Animal

God – be exalted – creates whatever He likes with His unlimited Ability and Might.

Derived from the Glorious Quran, the conditions essential for creating man or animal are:

• The availability of decayed organic substance: the black putrid mud or wet soil.
This substance is the decayed corpses of man or animal.

This is in the Quran 15: 33
قَالَ لَمْ أَكُن لِّأَسْجُدَ لِبَشَرٍ خَلَقْتَهُ مِن صَلْصَالٍ مِّنْ حَمَإٍ مَّسْنُونٍ

The explanation:
([Iblies] said: "I am not to prostrate myself to a human whom You created out of a black putrid clay.")

• The availability of little water; so that the result will be somewhat dry mud or wet soil. Much water will interfere with the coherence of the parts of the structure undergoing the process of creation.

• Complete darkness: like in a grave or in the womb (in case of the embryo).

Sun rays will prevent the cell division of the body undergoing the process of creation.

This is in the Quran 90: 4
لَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا الْإِنسَانَ فِي كَبَدٍ
The explanation:
(Surely, We created man [: Adam] inside [a grave; and his progeny inside the womb.] )

• Complete quietness and calmness: There should not be any movement, whatever mild it may be; because it will disrupt the structure being formed.

• The creation will take at least 40 days; less than that will lead the soul cannot be permanently formed and last inside the created mould or the created body.

God – be exalted – said in the Quran 2: 259
أَوْ كَالَّذِي مَرَّ عَلَى قَرْيَةٍ وَهِيَ خَاوِيَةٌ عَلَى عُرُوشِهَا قَالَ أَنَّىَ يُحْيِي هََذِهِ اللّهُ بَعْدَ مَوْتِهَا فَأَمَاتَهُ اللّهُ مِئَةَ عَامٍ ثُمَّ بَعَثَهُ قَالَ كَمْ لَبِثْتَ قَالَ لَبِثْتُ يَوْمًا أَوْ بَعْضَ يَوْمٍ قَالَ بَل لَّبِثْتَ مِئَةَ عَامٍ فَانظُرْ إِلَى طَعَامِكَ وَشَرَابِكَ لَمْ يَتَسَنَّهْ وَانظُرْ إِلَى حِمَارِكَ وَلِنَجْعَلَكَ آيَةً لِّلنَّاسِ وَانظُرْ إِلَى العِظَامِ كَيْفَ نُنشِزُهَا ثُمَّ نَكْسُوهَا لَحْمًا فَلَمَّا تَبَيَّنَ لَهُ قَالَ أَعْلَمُ أَنَّ اللّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ

The explanation:
(Or like [Azarias the son of Osaias] who passed by a city [: Jerusalem], completely destroyed [by the army of Nabuchodonosor;]

[Azarias] said: "How could God revive this [city] after its death [: that it may be rebuilt again after being destroyed?]"

So God made him die [in a cave] for a hundred years, then He sent his [soul back to his body;

and an angel came and] said: "For how long have you tarried [in this cave]?"

Said [Azarias]:"[Perhaps] a day or part of a day."

[The angel] said: "Not so, but for a hundred years you have tarried [here!]

Just have a look at your food [: has not rotted] and your drink has not changed [in spite of passing all these years.]

And look at your ass [being in the stage of creation]; and that We make you a miracle to people [indicating the Ability and Might of God.]

And look at the bones of the ass [which have been formed from the wet soil]: how We raise them [to form a skeleton of your ass],
and then We cover them [gradually] with flesh [from that wet soil!]

And when it became obvious to him [and he saw, with his own eyes, the reviving of his ass], he said: "I know [for certain now] that God is Most Able to do anything."

[And when he returned to Jerusalem, he found it well built and inhabited with people.] )

Azarias, the son of Osaias, is mentioned in the Torah [: the Old Testament] in the story of Prophet Jeremiah, and those who went to Egypt, contrary to his instruction revealed from God.

In this way, God – be glorified – created Adam and Eve from the same black putrid decayed organic substance; as had He created the cattle with him in that garden on one of the Earth mountains; not in the Paradise of heaven.

And in the same way, had He created the three other human races: the black, the yellow and the red races before did He create Adam, by thousands of years.

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Then from the list of Contents click on:

Life is transmittable (or migrant)
[The creation of Adam and Eve]
[The four human races]
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Old 07-08-2009, 10:16 AM
 
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Nice to see that the lunacy of creationism being represented with such diversity, but Muslim creationism isn't any saner or more intelligent than the Christian variety.
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Old 07-08-2009, 10:19 AM
 
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But remarkably, it's no worse.

okut

A Great Flood had occurred upon Earth long, long ago. While Earth was still covered with water, there were no living creatures upon the land. Then out of the sky one day glided an enormous Eagle with a black Crow riding upon its back, searching for a place to light.
Around and around Eagle flew until he discovered a projecting tree stump, or what appeared to be a stump, upon which he landed to rest. There was a home at last upon the flat surface, which was amply large enough for Eagle and Crow to roost upon. From here, they surveyed the greenish gray water as far as they could see. The sky was a gorgeous bright blue with a few white drifting clouds, occasionally swirled by a passing breeze. All seemed serene to Eagle and Crow.
Small fish were visible below the water, sometimes leaping out of the sea playfully. Hunger caused Eagle and Crow to swoop down, catching a meal for themselves from time to time. Soon a game developed between the two birds to see which one would be the winner in the fish-catching contest. Upon their return to the stump, however, they always shared the reward.
Because of Eagle's great size and wingspan, he soared to great heights and surveyed widely, as the two birds often flew in opposite directions exploring for land. But no land did they find. No other flying creatures did they see. But they always returned to their home base on the tree stump. Between them, they wondered "How can we possibly think of a way to make land?"
"We know we cannot dive deep enough to find dirt, and the fish are of no help except to provide food." Day after day these scenes were repeated, exploring in search of land or wondering how to create land, only to return to their stump and catch more fish.
One morning soon thereafter and much to their surprise, a Duck was swimming around and around their stump. Occasionally, it dived deep in the water, rose to the surface chewing small fish, twisting its head from side to side trying to swallow its meal. One time, Duck emerged with more mud than fish in its mouth. Eagle and Crow bird-talked excitedly about this! "Can Duck possibly bring up enough mud for us to build land?" they wondered. How could they let Duck know that mud was what they needed most?
An idea occurred to Eagle, which he bird-talked to Crow, "If we supply fish for Duck, maybe he will bring up more mud than fish." By trial and error, the two birds caught fish for Duck, placing them at the edge of the stump, until Duck learned that the fish were for him in exchange for mud!
When Duck appeared on the surface after a deep dive, Eagle and Crow brushed off the mud from Duck's bill and his body with their wings. Progress was slow but steady. Gradually, Eagle had a pile of mud on his side of the stump and Crow had a similar pile on his side. Each placed fish on his own side for Duck, who now responded by carrying more and more mud to Eagle and Crow. This became a great game of fish-and-mud exchange.
Duck worked very hard, consequently he was always hungry. The birds were surprised at how large each one's mud pile grew every day. In bird talk they said, "Duck is helping us to make a new world. This we will share equally."
Occasionally, Eagle and Crow flew toward the horizon, exploring for any new signs of land. But they returned with nothing new to report; however, they noticed a slight lowering of water around the tree stump.
"Surely, the flood must be coming to an end," Crow and Eagle bird-talked. Each day they watched for a change in the waterline. Each day their piles of mud seemed higher and higher. Faithful Duck kept up his good work as Eagle and Crow caught fish for him and scraped off mud from him for each side of the new world.
Another time, Eagle flew high and far in search of dry land, not returning until late. The sun set and darkness enveloped his world on the stump. Next morning, to Eagle's surprise, he saw how much more mud he had acquired, and he was pleased. But after looking across at Crow's mud pile, Eagle was astounded to see that Crow had given himself twice as much mud while Eagle was away. "Was this Crow's idea of sharing the new world equally?" accused Eagle.
Of course, they quarreled all that day and the next over Crow's unfairness. But the following day, they went back to work making their new land. Eagle decided that he must catch up. He caught two fish for Duck and put them in his usual place. Duck responded by bringing up mud twice to Eagle in exchange for his two fish. All three worked very hard for many, many moons.
Gradually, Eagle's half of the new world became taller and taller than Crow's half, even though Crow seemed to work just as hard as Eagle. Duck was faithful to his task, never tiring in his effort to supply mud. Of course, Duck continued to give Eagle twice as much mud for his two fish. Crow never seemed to notice why Eagle's half became higher and higher than his half.
One morning, as the sun rose brightly, the two birds looked down through the water and saw what appeared to be land!
"So that is where Duck finds the mud," they bird-talked. They were pleased to see that the water was subsiding. How they hoped that soon they would be high and dry on their new world.
But all was not so easy, for that very night lightning flashed across the waters and thunder rolled and rolled from one horizon to the other followed by a heavy, drenching rain. Eagle and Crow sought shelter in holes they dug into the sides of their mud piles. All night long the rain continued to fall, washing away much of the new world into the sea.
As the rain stopped and the sun rose, Eagle and Duck looked out upon the waters and saw an arc of many colors reaching from one edge of the horizon across the sky to the other horizon. This brilliant display held their eyes in wonderment. What did it mean? They marveled at how long the colors lingered in the sky. Eagle flew toward the scene for a closer look, returning when the arc disappeared.
In bird talk, Eagle and Crow decided that the storm of the night before must have been a clearing shower. They began their land-building project again, hoping that Duck would resume his work as mud-carrier. Soon the sun's rays burned strong and hot, packing the mud until it was hard. Duck appeared and the team of three continued to build the two halves of the new world.
Day by day, the waters subsided and new land began to show above the waterline but far, far below the new creation by Eagle and Crow. Eagle's half became taller and taller and hard packed by the hot sun. Crow's share of the new world was still great, but never could become as large as Eagle's half of the new world. In retelling this creation story, Yokut tribal historians always claim that Eagle's half became the mighty Sierra Nevada Mountains. They also tell how Crow's half became known as the Coast Mountain Range. Yokut historians end their tale by saying that people everywhere honor the brave and strong Eagle, while Crow is accorded a lesser place because of his unfair disposition displayed during the creation of the new world by Eagle and Crow.

Yokut Creation myth.

Why don't we have a Creation - myth thread? The winner can be allowed to decide exactly how the FSM (mbup) created us all.
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Old 07-08-2009, 10:36 AM
 
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interesting how so many different cultures have creation and flood myths, huh? `
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Old 07-08-2009, 10:39 AM
 
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Ovcatto said: " Nice to see that the lunacy of creationism being represented with such diversity, but Muslim creationism isn't any saner or more intelligent than the Christian variety."



The evolution is more insane than any other idea.

It depends on the chance and probability which is only acceptable to some atheists.

Any reasonably thinking man can see this in the details of the living cell.

The cell cannot be created by any blind nature; I tell you how:

It includes secrets that are unknown till now, and includes a large number of substances and elements that cannot be totally known: including a large number of enzymes in addition to delicate membranes and structures that only the insane can claim all this came to existence by chance and merely by their natural selection and evolution.

E.g. many years ago, the late interpreter Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, the inspired interpreter of the Quran and the Bible, said to me:

"Could it be that God ordered some angel to make Adam like a statue in the ground, out of the decayed organic materials ?"

I said to him: "Abu abd-Allah, this could not be: because the human body includes a complex vascular structures, nervous network, in additon to all other structures and cells with their minute and delicate structures and trace elements that any defect of any enzyme or substance will lead to the appearance of serious diseases and disturbances; and all this is impossible to be done by any creature whether angels or others, and no one can claim he can do all this, except for the Almighty God; Glory be to God!"

Abu abd-Allah said: "Then see how foolish are the atheist who claim such creation came to existence without any Creator!"
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:27 AM
 
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It is surprising how quickly some atheists rushed to reply, with their usual language of : lunacy, non-sense, myth and their other known words of mockery.

At least study the thread before replying, and read what I have said depending on the interpretation of the Glorious Quran.

The conditions essential for creating man and animal:
The availability of decayed organic substance of dead corpses.
The availability of little water.
Complete darkness.
Complete quietness and calmness.
The creation will take at least 40 days.
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:35 AM
 
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Arequipa said: "Yokut Creation myth."


Such myths have no relation to the story of Azarias, son of Osaias, which is similar to the story of creating Adam, the father of the Caucasian race, and the creation of the fathers of the other three human races: the black, the yellow and the red.

There have been some real observation of some mices in the stages of creation, seen by the interpreter, as were such observations seen by some farmers.
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:41 AM
 
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interesting how so many different cultures have creation and flood myths, huh? `
Neither the creation is myth, nor is the flood any myth.The deluge of Noah included one country: Mesopotamia (: Iraq) only and not all the entire earth.I said about it in this forum://www.city-data.com/forum/relig...aq#post9254798
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:41 AM
 
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It depends on the chance and probability which is only acceptable to some atheists.
Also say "understandable"

They rely heavily on tv and the sexperts. Forget the googletons.
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Old 07-08-2009, 12:39 PM
 
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There has been much propaganda about Darwin and his theory, until such propaganda has taken the picture of truth and reality.

The parties and organizations of atheists work to prove it true, in order to deny the Creator.
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