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Nice try but god commanded or orchestrated these people to do those things. If he didn't approve of them why would he allow them in his perfect holy book?
Jews rarely included the females in a genealogy...
Excelent! Can I quote you the next time a Christian argues that Jesus was a descendent of David by way of Mary's genealogy?
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Because there are enough people in the world and there is no excuse to marry your sister...
The point was, if incest is not acceptable to your god now, then it shouldn't have been acceptable then. If it's a sin now, it should have been a sin then. As your deity seems to hate sin he could have overcome the problem by 'creating' more people in the first place ....thus avoiding the need for people to screw their mothers and sisters.
BTW. As far as I know, the Jews NEVER included females in a genealogy. It always goes through the father.
Excelent! Can I quote you the next time a Christian argues that Jesus was a descendent of David by way of Mary's genealogy?
The point was, if incest is not acceptable to your god now, then it shouldn't have been acceptable then. If it's a sin now, it should have been a sin then. As your deity seems to hate sin he could have overcome the problem by 'creating' more people in the first place ....thus avoiding the need for people to screw their mothers and sisters.
BTW. As far as I know, the Jews NEVER included females in a genealogy. It always goes through the father.
I am a Jew...Regarding Mary's Genealogy, she was decended from David through, if i remember correctly, Benjamin...In order for Jesus claim title to the throne of David, He had to be a genetic decendant of David, also, in order for Him to claim the throne He had to be decended through the male line, which Joseph was, can't recall which son of David that was, and being that Joseph adopted Jesus as his own son, an He was the first born, He could legally lay claim to the throne, for He was both decended through the male line and by blood...He met all the requirements for claim...
Real answer: because that is the only way to defend the bible. But I am sure there will be an obtuse answer related to the propagation of human species etc - which leads back to why not start of with a few Adams and Eves at time zero and avoid your followers to explain such embarrassing incidents.
No need to defend the bible, it defends itself because it is the truth.
God did not need multiple Adam's and Eve's. He was able to get all of the population we have today with only one original set.
It is not embarrassing for the Christian to explain that Adam and Eve's offspring married each other. Since we all come from Adam and Eve anyway, then to this day we marry someone that is related to us!
BTW, since all humans come from Adam and Eve, we have all sinned in Adam and Eve our ancestors and therefore all need to be saved from separation from God. So God sent his Son once to die for all. That is why we do not need a Christ to die for each one of us individually. He died once for all.
I am a Jew...Regarding Mary's Genealogy, she was decended from David through, if i remember correctly, Benjamin...In order for Jesus claim title to the throne of David, He had to be a genetic decendant of David, also, in order for Him to claim the throne He had to be decended through the male line, which Joseph was, can't recall which son of David that was, and being that Joseph adopted Jesus as his own son, an He was the first born, He could legally lay claim to the throne, for He was both decended through the male line and by blood...He met all the requirements for claim...
Yes, Jesus was an adopted son of Joseph. There was no requirement that the son be your biological descendant to be king. So Jesus was the King of Israel as well as a biological descendant of David through Mary.
If we look at the Geneology of the kingship in Matthew, it does not follow a biological lineage for other kings, so it is not required for Jesus as well.
Further the prophesy from Genesis of the Messiah is to Eve. It says: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." (Gen 3:15)
So, God said that the seed of the woman would be an enemy to the serpent (Satan). So, it wasn't the seed of man that would be the Messiah. This verse alludes to the Messiah being of a virgin birth.
The point was, if incest is not acceptable to your god now, then it shouldn't have been acceptable then. If it's a sin now, it should have been a sin then. As your deity seems to hate sin he could have overcome the problem by 'creating' more people in the first place ....thus avoiding the need for people to screw their mothers and sisters.
Rafius, your arguement does not follow. Since God is supreme and ruler of all he can make new rules for us to follow.
I would like to see you tell the police that you were not going to obey the laws of the road because those laws weren't in force 250 yrs. ago!
So, God can make new laws. In fact Jesus (who is God) added another law. He furthered the law of adultery by saying that even if you lusted after a woman in your heart you have commited adultery with her. So, he extended the law from being a physical act to the internal intent of lusting! So Jesus added lusting as a sin.
Insest was a commandment that was given by Moses to the people of Israel thousands of years after Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were only given the one commandment to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They disobeyed this one commandment.
Eve came out of Adam, so by definition Adam procreated with himself. And yes there was insest among the children of Adam and Eve, but this was not a sin at the time.
Even Abraham was married to his half sister.
When there is very little variation in DNA, often severe birth defects result. If Eve was created from Adam, they would have identical DNA. Their offspring would have been disastrous!
As far as Abram and Sarah. Being half siblings might explain Sarah's difficulty in getting pregnant or possible multiple early miscarriages due to severe defects of the fetus. Perhaps Isaac had Downs syndrome from being born of an older mother or was mentally challenged. That would explain why he didn't go along to choose his wife (had to keep him hidden) and why he could be fooled about which son because Jacob wore animal fur.
I am a Jew...Regarding Mary's Genealogy, she was decended from David through, if i remember correctly, Benjamin...In order for Jesus claim title to the throne of David, He had to be a genetic decendant of David, also, in order for Him to claim the throne He had to be decended through the male line, which Joseph was, can't recall which son of David that was, and being that Joseph adopted Jesus as his own son, an He was the first born, He could legally lay claim to the throne, for He was both decended through the male line and by blood...He met all the requirements for claim...
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Real answer: because that is the only way to defend the bible. But I am sure there will be an obtuse answer related to the propagation of human species etc - which leads back to why not start of with a few Adams and Eves at time zero and avoid your followers to explain such embarrassing incidents.
