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A) We now know that we can track mitochondrial DNA/RNA from an original source. It follows the mother's side, is not nearly so open to mutation, and is not influenced by the male side's genetic variations.
B) As well, independent of that science, we can also now pretty accurately date artifacts by the latest Carbon 14 techniques, as well as fission tracking, Potassium-Argon, laser-stimulated X-Ray fluorescence and a dozen other well-validated methods which, oddly, seem to confirm each other when the same artifact is independently blind-tested. Within carefully stated limits as always.
C) Further, we have archeological/paleontological digs where the visible and chemically determined geology, as well as the simple facts about what level we find the items at, and the other things we find alongside them (animal bones, tools, plant remains, etc.) absolutely confirm the relative dates ("this village was built after that one.. and it's further east")
D) We can then assemble a reasonable and relativechronology of events that involve the migration and origins of aboriginal tribes.
E) Through those now established dating methods plus irrefutable geological evidence, we can then arrive at some basic dates and event horizons to various elements. Time and further detailed investigations coupled with good old logical deduction lead us to an accurate actual time line.
How interesting that we thus find and conclude:
1) That MtDNA/RNA follows from a single original source that came out of Africa. It then shows up, reliably, in populations that cross the Himalayan highlands, through China and Japan, across the Bering Sea, through the northern First Nations people in Arctic Canada, and then down into the relatively recent American Plains native populations.
2) Paleontological digs find a chronologically tied progression of ancient tribal technologies that follow along the exactsame routes.
3) Independent validation and dating of those items accurately follows a progression of their incorporation; as the knowledge advanced with the new species, so did it's accompanying technologies. Amazing, huh?
4) Independently verified studies also prove that these societies' technologies attended the peoples as they advanced, and that the further east we go, the later these technologies and the places we find them in.
In other words, the cultures and technologies slowly advanced eastward, validated by all these related techniques. Geological studies confirm this as we find these later cultural markers at more recent depths, closer to the surface. As well, we also find that relentless cultural progression was understandably slowed by gross geological events, readily evident in the geological column.
Again, it all falls into place, as the truth so often does.
So...in conclusion: how again did this all happen one week, or after Noah disgorged two or four of them on a Turkish mountain top a mere 2500 years ago? How's that work again? Logically I mean.
One can ignore the totality of all this co-supportive but independent evidence, or, since it's unavoidable and irrefutable as it's now presented, one can then claim, hands on ears, eyes tightly squeezed shut, that "it was all cooked up" in the minds of literally tens of millions of honest scientists who were suddenly recipients of a vast, global conspiratorial e-mail.. (Oh wait; they didn't have e-mails back 20 years ago, when this was all initiated.)
Must have been quite the load of snail mail down at the Post Office, and not a single one of those conspiratorial letters ever found it's way into the hands of a Christian whistle-blower. Odd indeed.
Not to mention that modern science has refined all the investigative technologies, and we can now reasonably predict what should be found if such a trans-migration did occur.
Guess what we find when we go looking for those markers? You guessed it. Confirmation of the hypothesis, which leads to a fact-filled fully vetted "theory" [NOTE: which is not a "silly unsupported hunch" as is so often erroneously and purposefully presented].
Ahhh.. to have this level of assured, measured and validated accuracy, alongside a growing technical complexity and topped off with masses of independent and yet completely corroborated evidence on your side, huh? It's entirely reasonable that "science" (as but a verifiable means to answer simple questions) is getting a bit smug, don't you think?
I am only hearing crickets.......................LOL
Patience, Tom and a few others are searching and searching for a way to respond, but even their favorite feeds from blogging delusionalists can't provide a rebuttal. The sites they frequent show up on about page 900 of a Google search, these things take time. Once they fail, though I suspect that some response about "it's magic" or "god dunit" will appear before long.
There will of course be the obligatory effort to disprove DNA, carbon dating, that fossils were 'planted' by Atheists, or the other Loony Tunes reasoning to throw rocks at reason.
There are those on CD that say that dinosaurs were aboard the ark, others say that Noah installed electric lights so the animals can see, they will come through, after all it is Sunday, and they got a refill of nonsense this morning, so they are primed.
So...in conclusion: how again did this all happen one week, or after Noah disgorged two or four of them on a Turkish mountain top a mere 2500 years ago? How's that work again? Logically I mean.
Interesting post.
Now to add to your research, here's what Paul wrote in the Padgett Messages:
"Also, the preacher might well have considered more deeply the contradiction presented in the Bible that, at the time of Noah, because of their great sins when mortals, God "punished" His children as He never punished any other of His children for their disobedience, utterly destroying them by one great catastrophe, removing His only living human creatures from the face of the earth, and thus leaving only Noah and his family to serve as a reminder of the great failure of God Himself, in His Creation of the most perfect and the "Very Good." No, in addition to recognizing this obvious contradiction, if the preacher had searched the Bible, he would have found that the hell that contained the spirits of all the human race that were living at the time of the flood (except Noah and his family) was not eternal in its duration."
Hell and the Duration of Punishment (http://tinyurl.com/ykvqbe2 - broken link)
A further message tells us that the flood during Noah's time wasn't any different than any other flood that's ever happened on this earth, so the story of Noah was embellished beyond recognition of the actual occurrence, no doubt to bring fear into the hearts and minds of people.
One thing about truth... when you know it... it will set you free.
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Patience, Tom and a few others are searching and searching for a way to respond, but even their favorite feeds from blogging delusionalists can't provide a rebuttal. The sites they frequent show up on about page 900 of a Google search, these things take time. Once they fail, though I suspect that some response about "it's magic" or "god dunit" will appear before long.
There will of course be the obligatory effort to disprove DNA, carbon dating, that fossils were 'planted' by Atheists, or the other Loony Tunes reasoning to throw rocks at reason.
There are those on CD that say that dinosaurs were aboard the ark, others say that Noah installed electric lights so the animals can see, they will come through, after all it is Sunday, and they got a refill of nonsense this morning, so they are primed.
a god could have created evolution to fool the sheeples the frogs are out now eating the crickets, ribit, ribit, ribit.. can you hear me now
I'm still not getting the connect, PITTSTON. You posted this same link on another thread yesterday. I read it then, and despite it's contentious title, it simply answers how, in fact, Darwin was correct, and finishes with how a skeptical but academically thorough whale scientist out there now sees the light as the intermediate forms of evolving whales have shown up in his own area of expertise.
Perhaps that's why you posted it?
PS: Nea1: I always love that *crickets* comment; it brings this immediate image to mind.
I also remember one of yours and my truly favorite posters here, eanassir, who asked, in typical fashion: "What is *crickets*? I wish to learn American English more thorough!"
pribb-b-b-b-i... pri-b-b-b-bbiii (Q: How does a *cricket* sound? Phonetically I mean? Hey: a contest!)
Now to add to your research, here's what Paul wrote in the Padgett Messages:
"Also, the preacher might well have considered more deeply the contradiction presented in the Bible that, at the time of Noah, because of their great sins when mortals, God "punished" His children as He never punished any other of His children for their disobedience, utterly destroying them by one great catastrophe, removing His only living human creatures from the face of the earth, and thus leaving only Noah and his family to serve as a reminder of the great failure of God Himself, in His Creation of the most perfect and the "Very Good." No, in addition to recognizing this obvious contradiction, if the preacher had searched the Bible, he would have found that the hell that contained the spirits of all the human race that were living at the time of the flood (except Noah and his family) was not eternal in its duration."
Hell and the Duration of Punishment (http://tinyurl.com/ykvqbe2 - broken link)
A further message tells us that the flood during Noah's time wasn't any different than any other flood that's ever happened on this earth, so the story of Noah was embellished beyond recognition of the actual occurrence, no doubt to bring fear into the hearts and minds of people.
One thing about truth... when you know it... it will set you free.
Yes, not to mention the previous flood stories, based far more on the historical truth, but actually "local" in content, on which the biblical one is so obviously copied. Oddly, we still have those, represented here by one or two posters in particular, that frantically cling to the much-modified and embellished (and totally implausible) story, but then won't answer simple questions about it's obvious problems & contradictions.
I have no problems with fables for the sake of teaching. They are very effective, especially on the immature or illiterate mind. But to adamantly stand by them as being absolute and factual in the face of reality and actual evidence? Oh come on now!
Thx, SoCal, for the comments.
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but guilty as charged 
the frogs are out now eating the crickets, ribit, ribit, ribit.. can you hear me now
Bree-bbibb, bree-bibbb....
