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Strange. Does God wants us to rebel and sin?
If you read scripture properly, you can only conclude that God wanted Satan to rebel or become God’s loyal opposition, .as well as God wanting Adam and Eve to disobey His command.
Let me first say that the only possible source for our moral sense, something we should all be trying to improve is the knowledge of good and evil. This makes eating of the tree of knowledge imperative to our elevation from mere dumb beasts. Gen 3 5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.--- Talking snake. Gen 3:22 22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:--- God. Col 1 15
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast createdall things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
This would include evil, sin and temptation. 1 Timothy 2 1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. Matt 5 48
Be ye thereforeperfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect To do so we must know good and evil. Gen 3 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
To be saved, you have to be in peril. Scripturally speaking, that means you have to be a sinner.
From what I can gather from the above quotes, to attain God’s perfection, man must rebel and or sin. God wants us to have knowledge of truth of good and evil so that our eyes can be open to them. That is likely why He created evil for us, and His pleasure, in the first place.
This explains why, in Genesis, God allows a supernatural Satan to have access to a Childish Adam and Eve and who is there, on God’s behalf, to make sure Adam and Eve eat of the tree of knowledge.
We all know that in a contest between man and the supernatural, be it Satan or some other, the supernatural always wins. God after all gave Satan the power to deceive all men to do good or to do evil.
God also knows this and sent Satan to start us up properly.
So rebel or sin my friends and repent because this is the key to knowing God; just as it was in the days of Adam and Eve. Eat hearty and be as Gods, knowing good and evil and let us pray that you only have to do small sins to learn.
The wages of sin are to be as Gods and our way of entering heaven.
Eh. Before you say that Jesus, a good Rabbi but a poor the chimera usurper God is the way is the way.
Psa 49:7 None [of them] can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
Pro 21:3 To do justice and judgment [is] more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.
This you do with the moral sense that you gain only from knowing good and evil.
I know that most believers do not quite believe this way yet. most have yet to take their factlesss faith and add the facts to it and change their faith to true belief. This takes logic and reason. If you have some of this then if you apply it to the logic trail above, you will agree as your eyes will be open.
As a parting thought, if you think me wrong, if god did not want man to sin, why, according to scripture and tradition, are we all born with a God given sinning nature?
Can man fight his own nature?
Impossible.
s a parting thought, if you think me wrong, if god did not want man to sin, why, according to scripture and tradition, are we all born with a God given sinning nature?
Can man fight his own nature?
Impossible.
Regards
DL
It is impossible to reconcile all the primitive and childish misinterpretations of God and our purpose created by religious dogma. My efforts have been particularly ineffective in penetrating the powerful indoctrination (almost imprinting) of religious orthodoxy. Yet . . . I will try again to answer . . . encouraged by your thoughtful and reasoned request for clarification.
The successful development of our soul is the main purpose of human life. The process for achieving our purpose is very simple in principle. The common principle in practically all civilizations and at all stages of their development is self-denial. In the primitive cultures . . . the various forms of denial were motivated by taboos. In the more civilized cultures, denial was seen more directly as the means of delivering the soul from its earthly bonds to make possible a spiritual contact with eternal truth and the deity. We can begin to understand this process if we reinterpret our species basic experiences as described in Genesis.
Humankind as described in Genesis had just been born. He possessed the mere infant of a soul. A suggestion that this infant soul would be punished for its inadequacies is absurd! Naturally, this soul was inadequate to control the animal body it inhabited. In fact, in the more advanced lesson described in the myth of Noah and the flood (where humankind was surely more developed than in Eden) this understanding of youthful ignorance as the source of misbehavior was specifically verbalized, Genesis 8:21,
. . . I will never again curse the ground on account of Man, for the inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth.
Only by interpreting this passage in the way being proposed does it make any sense. Otherwise the passage would be suggesting that God won't punish man BECAUSE he is evil or some such absurdity!
Clearly, our species infant consciousness wasn't expected to be able to control its body, because it was the mere seed of a soul. A seed bears no fruit. It must germinate into a full-fledged tree bearing the fruit of eternal life. Therein is probably the explanation of the kingdom of God described by Jesus in the parable of the mustard seed.
Somehow this mere seed of a soul, this minute consciousness, has to become aware of the basic process it must perform to produce eternal life. You don't try to teach calculus to a toddler. You must start with very basic concepts and build upon them. First this soul had to learn that there was something to achieve. Then it had to be given a rudimentary idea of how to achieve it.
Since the process for achieving our purpose consists of controlling our animal nature and eliminating certain destructive responses, this basic idea of selective satisfaction of our internal desires had to be conveyed to the infant soul. Left on its own in its animal body, it wouldn't have the faintest idea that there was any need to differentiate between good and bad behavior. To an animal, all responses to its inner drives are "good."
Without external teaching and an external referent, this infant soul would have learned this erroneous concept from its animal nature, and continued to react without censure and control. In fact, it would devote itself to perfecting means of satisfying all of its animal drives. It would become a truly superior animal. It would kill more efficiently, hate more efficiently, be greedier, be more vengeful, create orgies and debaucheries to increase sexual satisfaction, and so on.
A great deal of intellectual effort has been expended in attempts to interpret the significance of the forbidden fruit. All manner of complex inferences have been formulated to explain this "symbolic fruit." There is a proverb dating back to the 14th century which is applicable here: "causae non multiplicandae praeter necessitatem." Essentially, it means don't unnecessarily complicate or if given the choice between explanations use the simplest one. The forbidden fruit is, quite literally, a fruit! The tree is called the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil"because from our experience with it we learn that basic distinction.
The forbidden fruit represents our basic lesson in differentiation of behavior and control of our animal body. The expulsion from Eden resulting from forbidden behavior is our base. When we are told that there are certain things we must not do or we will lose eternal life, we can relate back to this experience of losing paradise and understand the basic concept. Thereby our species began the long process of learning the way to achieve eternal life. Genesis 3:22,
. . . the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil! And now perhaps he will put forth his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat and live forever!
There are many interpretations of this passage, the most ridiculous version being that God felt man was now a threat who must be cast out of Eden to PREVENT him from getting to the tree of life! The absurdity of the notion that our Creator would fear His own creation is the first, but certainly not the last, tainting of God's motives by man's animal nature. That he could be a threat to his Creator is the greatest salve early interpreters could devise for explaining the concept of rejection and expulsion from Eden. It is a typical answer for a primitive consciousness faced with otherwise incomprehensible actions. Our own children experience similar incomprehension whenever they are being taught their "unavoidable" basic experiences.
Our living Soul arrives in us AT THE MOMENT OF BIRTH as the mere seed of our soul. Cartoon Egberts notwithstanding, prior to the moment of birth and for several weeks thereafter, an infant is not capable of anything requiring true consciousness. However, the serpent (Id . . . or old brain) is fully operative. The first few weeks after birth can be viewed as the time during which the seed of our soul germinates.
In this initial merger, one partner, the Serpent (limbic system and spinal cord), is all-powerful relative to the other. Therefore, the majority of the early partnership decisions will be made based on the "opinions" of the serpent. The soul acts merely as an increasingly advantageous addition. It eventually provides consciousness and reason which enhances the reading and assessing of situations, and helps create the most suitable behavior to optimize the serpent's return on invested energy.
Freud ascribed to every human being a predetermined amount of psychic energy at birth, which represents all that is available. From the bunching of energy theory of the composition of matter . . . "frequency traffic jams" . . . it is understandable that life energy here would be created in such a predetermined amount and would have a limited life span in that form. We can view this as our physical life account, similar to a bank account.
How each individual spends this energy will determine his "financial" position at rebirth. Since all energy is initially invested in the Id, the serpent has all the "money". This is as it should be because the physical body is growing and developing. It requires a lot of energy to be invested in efforts to facilitate that growth and development. The initial store of energy is our control energy that enables us to function and acquire external sources of energy to be converted in the chemical factory of our body. In fact, if we did not invest that control energy, we would soon run out and die.
This external investment of energy, like a financial investment, should provide a return in excess of that expended when properly and wisely controlled. In the beginning, the investment might consist of nothing more than manipulating the vocal chords to get attention by crying and manipulating the mouth in a sucking motion to acquire an external source of energy (food) for our body. As we grow and mature, the expenditures become more complex and variable in their rate of return.
Ideally, we would convert all our life energy into high quality soul. Realistically, the process of mental development and physical demands of survival will not allow such an outcome. Each of us, inevitably, must spend varying amounts of our allotment in ignorance and rejection of the optimal modes of spending. Therefore, varying quantities and qualities of soul are produced. It is probably to this variable production that Jesus refers in his parable of the sower, Matt 13:23,
. . . And the one sown upon good ground, that is he who hears the word and understands it; he bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixtyfold, and in another thirtyfold.
Since we have no way of knowing how much thirtyfold is, or how quantity of soul is measured, it would seem prudent to get started producing correctly as soon as possible.
There are basically two ways in which our life energy is spent, initiating reaction or initiating thought. Reaction is a physical response. Eating is a reaction to the energy of the hunger drive. The return is a chemical resupply of energy to the partnership. Reaction provides very little exercise and little development of the soul . . . though invariably there is some thought associated with every reaction. Reaction is for animal needs and is primarily the serpent's return on investment.
Thought is the soul's return, and the quality of thought is critical. It is the ratio of thought to reaction and the quality of thought that we must be concerned with. The higher the quality and the larger the ratio of thought to reaction that is achieved without slighting physical well-being . . . the greater is the soul's share of energy and the faster is the progress to maturity. Our souls can control the ratio of thought to reaction by eliminating the ignorance that accounts for an animal-oriented character.
"As a parting thought, if you think me wrong, if god did not want man to sin, why, according to scripture and tradition, are we all born with a God given sinning nature?"
We are born with freewill. We have the option to do the will of God or our own will. In doing one or the other we prove to God where our heart's are.
God wou;d wants us to rebel against injustice but not sin for the same he would want us to do justice to the concerned person in a fair and free manner as the US policy stands no discrimination agaimnst any person based on creed or colour.
[quote=MysticPhD;15860356]It is impossible to reconcile all the primitive and childish misinterpretations of God and our purpose created by religious dogma. My efforts have been particularly ineffective in penetrating the powerful indoctrination (almost imprinting) of religious orthodoxy. Yet . . . I will try again to answer . . . encouraged by your thoughtful and reasoned request for clarification.
Are you doing God's will?
Other than what man has written, how do you know what God wants?
If any man come unto me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brother, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he can not be my disciple." John 3:15
God wou;d wants us to rebel against injustice but not sin for the same he would want us to do justice to the concerned person in a fair and free manner as the US policy stands no discrimination agaimnst any person based on creed or colour.
Mathew Website Design and Development
To know what is just or unjust takes a moral sense and that, in the case of A & E means they had to disobey God.
Your answer did not speak to the O P so I do not know your view as yet.
It is impossible to reconcile all the primitive and childish misinterpretations of God and our purpose created by religious dogma. My efforts have been particularly ineffective in penetrating the powerful indoctrination (almost imprinting) of religious orthodoxy. Yet . . . I will try again to answer . . . encouraged by your thoughtful and reasoned request for clarification.
The successful development of our soul is the main purpose of human life. The process for achieving our purpose is very simple in principle. The common principle in practically all civilizations and at all stages of their development is self-denial. In the primitive cultures . . . the various forms of denial were motivated by taboos. In the more civilized cultures, denial was seen more directly as the means of delivering the soul from its earthly bonds to make possible a spiritual contact with eternal truth and the deity. We can begin to understand this process if we reinterpret our species basic experiences as described in Genesis.
Humankind as described in Genesis had just been born. He possessed the mere infant of a soul. A suggestion that this infant soul would be punished for its inadequacies is absurd! Naturally, this soul was inadequate to control the animal body it inhabited. In fact, in the more advanced lesson described in the myth of Noah and the flood (where humankind was surely more developed than in Eden) this understanding of youthful ignorance as the source of misbehavior was specifically verbalized, Genesis 8:21,
. . . I will never again curse the ground on account of Man, for the inclination of man's heart is evil from his youth.
Only by interpreting this passage in the way being proposed does it make any sense. Otherwise the passage would be suggesting that God won't punish man BECAUSE he is evil or some such absurdity!
Clearly, our species infant consciousness wasn't expected to be able to control its body, because it was the mere seed of a soul. A seed bears no fruit. It must germinate into a full-fledged tree bearing the fruit of eternal life. Therein is probably the explanation of the kingdom of God described by Jesus in the parable of the mustard seed.
With out the seed there is no tree!...and a Tree that bares no fruit..has no seeds or fruits to bare them!
Somehow this mere seed of a soul, this minute consciousness, has to become aware of the basic process it must perform to produce eternal life. You don't try to teach calculus to a toddler. You must start with very basic concepts and build upon them. First this soul had to learn that there was something to achieve. Then it had to be given a rudimentary idea of how to achieve it.
In order to obtain eternal life...the seeds God Gave us..need to be sown sinlessly!
That is the only way...through Jesus Christ own word..."Do no more sin and be forgiven", " Those who DO the will of my Father shall enter paradise"...THIS IS SELF FULFILLING when one plants ALL seed with no omittions or profaning any of the Givens!!!..Acts 3:21, 10:15, Genesis 2:15 is the reason for our making by God..and Rev 17:17 is for us to do...to the letter of the laws of the land, and commandments God said he would instill in our hearts mind and spirit.
Since the process for achieving our purpose consists of controlling our animal nature and eliminating certain destructive responses, this basic idea of selective satisfaction of our internal desires had to be conveyed to the infant soul. Left on its own in its animal body, it wouldn't have the faintest idea that there was any need to differentiate between good and bad behavior. To an animal, all responses to its inner drives are "good."
The animal in nature..is tied or bound to a condition...all creatures seem to hold...in their living existance they do not make any monuments, or ingraven imaged thing to worship.
And they keep their build to a minimum...thus they pollute very little if at all...for dung is good if the consumed product and waste is biodegradable.
Thus the natural estate if left untouched...could exist for a longer time with out human intervention and invention..."Intelligence?"...not from where I am standing.
Without external teaching and an external referent, this infant soul would have learned this erroneous concept from its animal nature, and continued to react without censure and control. In fact, it would devote itself to perfecting means of satisfying all of its animal drives. It would become a truly superior animal. It would kill more efficiently, hate more efficiently, be greedier, be more vengeful, create orgies and debaucheries to increase sexual satisfaction, and so on.
These mindsets and actions are already being done in the world...if you look in the right circles.
A great deal of intellectual effort has been expended in attempts to interpret the significance of the forbidden fruit. All manner of complex inferences have been formulated to explain this "symbolic fruit." There is a proverb dating back to the 14th century which is applicable here: "causae non multiplicandae praeter necessitatem." Essentially, it means don't unnecessarily complicate or if given the choice between explanations use the simplest one. The forbidden fruit is, quite literally, a fruit! The tree is called the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil"because from our experience with it we learn that basic distinction.
And the basic distruction of the EDEN principle...while the knowledge is both Good and Evil...the EVIL side is out to destroy all that GOD has made GOOD...and in doing this, the whole earth is in jeopardy and the eco systems...and the waters, and the air...and the dome of ozone....due to pollution that the knowledge has brought forth.
The forbidden fruit represents our basic lesson in differentiation of behavior and control of our animal body. The expulsion from Eden resulting from forbidden behavior is our base. When we are told that there are certain things we must not do or we will lose eternal life, we can relate back to this experience of losing paradise and understand the basic concept. Thereby our species began the long process of learning the way to achieve eternal life. Genesis 3:22,
If humans remained natural and in tune with nature...tending and keeping it..and sharing and caring...the animals in that estate might be more willing to aid us...because they would see us as not a threat...but a coworker of the enviroments in which they live..that also support us!
. . . the man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil! And now perhaps he will put forth his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat and live forever!
The trick of the tale is...You cannot eat from a tree of life...which is sowed by the sower of seeds...in a certain light or mindset..SINLESSLY.
So to sow the seed...is only part of the solution...the intent is the other part...and how it is sowed is the third part...and the one who is granting the eternal estate...is God which makes the final partnership work.
Sow those into the earth or anyother world...and EDENS are the resulting factors!!
SHare...care...LOVE the God who created everything, and do what God has asked of us....is only for our own benefit....to be Human and made KIND to all the living things God made Good.
There are many interpretations of this passage, the most ridiculous version being that God felt man was now a threat who must be cast out of Eden to PREVENT him from getting to the tree of life! The absurdity of the notion that our Creator would fear His own creation is the first, but certainly not the last, tainting of God's motives by man's animal nature. That he could be a threat to his Creator is the greatest salve early interpreters could devise for explaining the concept of rejection and expulsion from Eden. It is a typical answer for a primitive consciousness faced with otherwise incomprehensible actions. Our own children experience similar incomprehension whenever they are being taught their "unavoidable" basic experiences.
Man humans are a threat to everything because they do not listen to reason...as they proclaim intelligence and education of some degree...and them build atomic bombs and drive pollutants into the enviroments to which they derive their food souces from...to threaten all living things!
And the complete destruction of a planet teaming with life...
Our living Soul arrives in us AT THE MOMENT OF BIRTH as the mere seed of our soul. Cartoon Egberts notwithstanding, prior to the moment of birth and for several weeks thereafter, an infant is not capable of anything requiring true consciousness. However, the serpent (Id . . . or old brain) is fully operative. The first few weeks after birth can be viewed as the time during which the seed of our soul germinates.
This statement is untrue...Every child knows when it is hungry..and when it is thursting for water..and in itself it is living....that means the brain is working in a state of knowing its reality/parents should provide...and so when these needs are wanted...the child cries to have its needs met!
In this initial merger, one partner, the Serpent (limbic system and spinal cord), is all-powerful relative to the other. Therefore, the majority of the early partnership decisions will be made based on the "opinions" of the serpent. The soul acts merely as an increasingly advantageous addition. It eventually provides consciousness and reason which enhances the reading and assessing of situations, and helps create the most suitable behavior to optimize the serpent's return on invested energy.
Freud ascribed to every human being a predetermined amount of psychic energy at birth, which represents all that is available. From the bunching of energy theory of the composition of matter . . . "frequency traffic jams" . . . it is understandable that life energy here would be created in such a predetermined amount and would have a limited life span in that form. We can view this as our physical life account, similar to a bank account.
In so much as to rekindle the truth..I stand as reading into the scripture of Genesis...and in that creation of God...there is no mention of money, banks, houses, churches or buildings of any kind...only the garden is mentioned with other living things...that live in that estate.
So/ with regards to money (ingraven imaged IDOL) we now see where our error is...according to scripture...What Jesus was kicking around..is the very same thing...remembering that GOD has already Given everything Genesis 9:3 that was created and listed in the Genesis 7 day event.
And God shares it all with us...and thus we are heirs to that kingdom...which God wants us to tend and keep forever!
But we have turned away from that ideal...and have been mislead to believe we need the IDOL to have life...and anyone apposed to the system...is eventually consumed in some way or made to comply with it...to pay tax...so more EVIL can be born under its charms.
The root to all evils....the wage for sin is death? or is it MONEY is a sin (broken 2nd commandment) which brings death continually?
That is what Jesus was saying to those who held it in high regard.
it is easier for a camel to enter into heaven through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man or woman to .
"Sell it all, give it to the poor fools who want it...THEN (and only then) follow me"...Jesus said.
How each individual spends this energy will determine his "financial" position at rebirth. Since all energy is initially invested in the Id, the serpent has all the "money". This is as it should be because the physical body is growing and developing. It requires a lot of energy to be invested in efforts to facilitate that growth and development. The initial store of energy is our control energy that enables us to function and acquire external sources of energy to be converted in the chemical factory of our body. In fact, if we did not invest that control energy, we would soon run out and die.
What happens if the energy we consume, is polluted, and genetially modified to cause death and or sickness, and or mutations?
This external investment of energy, like a financial investment, should provide a return in excess of that expended when properly and wisely controlled. In the beginning, the investment might consist of nothing more than manipulating the vocal chords to get attention by crying and manipulating the mouth in a sucking motion to acquire an external source of energy (food) for our body. As we grow and mature, the expenditures become more complex and variable in their rate of return.
If money is a IDOL or made to be one..that which God said not to have...no matter how much of it you have, and believe can be used wisely...it only goes to your demise!
And knowing Satan's tool is at work in your life...you have no control over it!
Ideally, we would convert all our life energy into high quality soul. Realistically, the process of mental development and physical demands of survival will not allow such an outcome. Each of us, inevitably, must spend varying amounts of our allotment in ignorance and rejection of the optimal modes of spending. Therefore, varying quantities and qualities of soul are produced. It is probably to this variable production that Jesus refers in his parable of the sower, Matt 13:23,
The true CHristian will always be a sower of all seed...no matter the profaning of that seed, plant, or living things which God has given to restore EDEN with and multiply that out into the world....because money feeds no one!
and if we break commandments of God...God does not help...and then the lands and its bounty is reduced to make us suffer more.
SO it is in our best interests to fulfill all the requirements God has asked we do...and to do them sinlessly would intail , Putting down the idea of money....and sharing everything God made good with everyone...and making more come to bare in the world.
. . . And the one sown upon good ground, that is he who hears the word and understands it; he bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixtyfold, and in another thirtyfold.
Good ground is a place where there is no sin...Holy Ground is when the Holy plant (Burning Bush) is sowed sinlessly...for the greator GOOD of God to put his foot on!
Since we have no way of knowing how much thirtyfold is, or how quantity of soul is measured, it would seem prudent to get started producing correctly as soon as possible.
The idea is in the amount that is measured...when sharing...
It has been known, that when something is Given that we thank God for in prayer, and we take what we need, not what we want, and pass the rest over to the next person abd persons..and so on...and soforth....there is a magic that takes place...and what little was..becomes enough for many!
and if it is not enough...what was taken can always be cut in half, and cut again....and that little bit that we consume...still is enough because we satisfy the brain with the good will God instills in us..and in some degree the little we do consume, tricks the brain into knowing it was suffient enough to live a little longer.
There are basically two ways in which our life energy is spent, initiating reaction or initiating thought. Reaction is a physical response. Eating is a reaction to the energy of the hunger drive. The return is a chemical resupply of energy to the partnership. Reaction provides very little exercise and little development of the soul . . . though invariably there is some thought associated with every reaction. Reaction is for animal needs and is primarily the serpent's return on investment.
THose who do not work...need less fuel....less fuel means more food to go around....
So not working, and not doing work that leads us away from the Garden principle...makes us have more...when we till, tend, and sow all seeds into the Earth, without profaning any of them...or those who sow them!
Thought is the soul's return, and the quality of thought is critical. It is the ratio of thought to reaction and the quality of thought that we must be concerned with. The higher the quality and the larger the ratio of thought to reaction that is achieved without slighting physical well-being . . . the greater is the soul's share of energy and the faster is the progress to maturity. Our souls can control the ratio of thought to reaction by eliminating the ignorance that accounts for an animal-oriented character.
With this idea of intelligence and achieving something better...was the Garden ideal and its upkeep the most intelligent spoken instruction of GOD?
keeping the enviroments clean and presteen..so healthy people are born there in?
Look at the opposite now in this world order of supposed intelligent people....polluting the planet for false profits and Gains in nothing important to God...breaking all the commandments blatantly so...
Should this stupidity continue?
Oh ...they say they are educated.....funny lines of paradoxes, accedentals, and cause and effect are now in order for chaos to be born it seems!
Are we creating our own woe and wrath.....seems so!
Yep Going down the wrong road...after being foretold..and shown...seems to be a mindless act...especially when knowing full well...death is the outcome eventually!
And look there it is...Death...more death to make more dead blood...so the beast can sip it...and pollute the planet more!
Yah more pollution makes more profitable estates arise...
the detramental conditions are used to create employement...working to make people polluted..so hospitals can be made...so more workers are employed...so more taxes can be made...so more sin can flurish under the IDOL....Making more warfare, and weapons of mass destruction...to keep the blood flowing on all sides....
Do you think this can continue?
Stand out of her sins my people....is mentioned.
And the beast is the people who drive those pollution devises, living in sin!
It was said forgivve them they know not what they do??????????
Your bringing up of god allowing the serpent in the garden is why I think that if it all was true, the calvinist version is true. He had it planned out from the very beginning.
"The lamb slain before the foundation of the world"
Why have jesus "killed" before everything if you didn't have some sort of plan?
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