Science has much better answers than "God did it" (atheism, agnostic)
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If you are going to look to science for the answers, it should be able to supply the correct ones, and not give you the wrong conclusion. Like, for example, the idea that ulcers are caused by stress.
We know that amazing conclusion is completely wrong now. Heliobacter pylori is responsible (or at least that's what they think NOW, it could be yet something else).
How many things give you cancer again? I've lost track.
You need to keep up, science advances very rapidly these days.
More than a third of the population are infected with Heliobacter pylori, but it only causes ulcers in those under stress, so stress does cause ulcers among many other things. Long term stress erodes the caps ( telomeres that keep them from coming unraveled) on the ends of your chromosomes thus shortening your life. It causes damage to the arteries. It causes problems in the brain interfering with memory and learning ability, not to mention bouts of depression, heart disease, obesity, pain, sleep problems, digestive problems and skin conditions such as eczema. These are all made worse because too much stress also suppresses your immune system.
The life span of a person under long term stress is much shorter on average than those living relatively stress free lives.
How do I know all this? Because of research by scientists.
Except that there is evidence for most theories like the big bang.
How about this: I will use your own arguement.
"What if" you are wrong about every belief you hold as many think you are? According to you no proof is needed, it just needs to be put out there to verify it.
Man created science all by himself. No gods, goblins, or zombies required.
I would assume what Mystic means is that the science that runs the Universe was not created by Man. Man did not create the four forces (eletromagnetism, strong nuclear, weak nuclear, and gravity. Granted I think all of those except gravity have been unified) or hydrogen or helium or dark energy.
So if humans did not exist science could/would still be done by whatever other intelligences exist in the Universe if such beings do exist. The source or cause of all this would be unchanged. Possibly "Nature" would have been less confusing, but I didn't think the statement was all that confusing.
I thought the point of science, for you scientifically minded types, was to find everything out the hard way, instead of taking the obvious and easy explanations.
You want it handed to you on a silver platter too?
No but wouldn't you think that if you're God and you set out to have a book ghostwritten for you that you'd want it to be the best book ever written? I mean God would know EVERYTHING, the answers to questions that we haven't even thought to ask yet. He could have added a section about quantum physics, mathematics, etc. He could have wrote something so timeless that it would blow your mind reading it.
Instead he gave us a bunch of jumbled self contradicting "limited by the times" scrawlings from Bronze Age tribesmen. God didn't create man, man created God in their own image. God hates the same people we hate, loves what we love, blesses what we want blessed etc. God was invented as explanation for the world thousands of years ago out of mankind's ignorance. The time has come for humanity to put away their childish imaginary friends.
Seriously if you met an adult and he told you he had a friend in the house with you right now. You can't see him, but your friend can "feel him." He talks to him before he goes to sleep every night and even offers him money once a week, you'd probably refer him to a mental health professional. You wouldn't feel compelled to give evidence of his non-existence despite your friend wailing ON AND ON about proof of his friend's non-existence. You certainly wouldn't create a name for your nonbelief.
But if your friend gave his imaginary friend the name "God," suddenly that makes his otherwise insane beliefs, sane.
And what do you mean with you people?
Unlike most deists, and apparantly also atheists, I'm a nation / religion of 1.
So can't speak for other people.
BTW do you truly believe that science would still exist if all of reality suddenly stopped existing? If so science is indeed stronger than any other deity.
I would assume what Mystic means is that the science that runs the Universe was not created by Man. Man did not create the four forces (eletromagnetism, strong nuclear, weak nuclear, and gravity. Granted I think all of those except gravity have been unified) or hydrogen or helium or dark energy.
So if humans did not exist science could/would still be done by whatever other intelligences exist in the Universe if such beings do exist. The source or cause of all this would be unchanged. Possibly "Nature" would have been less confusing, but I didn't think the statement was all that confusing.
That's very good and partly the answer to the remark about constants. A little different and we couldn't exist in the universe.
Or maybe we could, but we'd be different, too. Don't be too hung up on the 'God made us this way' fallacy. We evolved and different conditions mean we turn out different. As we see today.
Need to beware of the 'Fate' fallacy. Whatever happens it was 'meant'. If you make efforts to change your fate whatever you get was 'fated' too. In fact whatever way it turns out was 'meant'. Fate is an illusion and a less reliable one than matter, or even free will.
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Uhm, no. Science is a reaction to reality so science can't create anything all by itself.
Apparently without science.
And what do you mean with you people?
If so science is indeed stronger than any other deity.
