Is Christ's Resurrection historical or allegorical? (suicide, Islamic, gospel, quote)
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I think it is allegorical . We really don;t know about the early apostles and we don;t know that they died for what they believed, just as we do not know what jesus really taught during a 3 to 7 year ministry. We can assume though that it was something along the lines of a monotheistic Jesish tradition but that it had elements of Buddhism, and possibly Egyptian Mythology, making it a philosophically superior way of thinking. It was something that was quite literally newer and better than anything that had come before.
And newer and better does not sit well with the masses. Evangelical Christianity is an example of the reaction people give when showed that their 2000 year old mythology is antiquated and outdated. Kind of makes them want to nail someone to a cross.....
But getting back to the subject, the Bible seems to have an underlying allegory of a personal mythic journey, and holds meaning only when seen as such. It is chocked full of mythic soties, tall tales (Everything from an arc of animals to the Sun stopping for a few hours to Herod killing babies) Clearly these things NEVER HAPPENED, and that makes me think that most of what is in there never happened.
Like some guy raising from the dead. Why did this story not exist in the first ffew years after the death of Jesus? Why did it take many years to formulate (or assimilate) and why do the historical accounts vary so much in the details? And when did it go from someone defeating death (Which is a long religious dream of mankind) to something having to do with God sacrificing himself to himself just so he could change some law he supposedly made to begin with a hundred or so years later?
Seen as allegory, the story of Jesus (Probably based somewhat on a historic figure) reads as a personal quest for each of us to rise up spiritually to our greatest potential. It is something that requires a person to look within, and not to some external savior. I would bet that much of Jesus' ministry was aimed at teaching people to take responsibility for themselves, to bring good from within, as opposed to waiting for some mythic "savior" to come and save everyone.
Seen as allegory, the story of Jesus (Probably based somewhat on a historic figure) reads as a personal quest for each of us to rise up spiritually to our greatest potential. It is something that requires a person to look within, and not to some external savior. I would bet that much of Jesus' ministry was aimed at teaching people to take responsibility for themselves, to bring good from within, as opposed to waiting for some mythic "savior" to come and save everyone.
I absolutely agree with this. We are each to follow our own journey and that journey is within us. When we try to live someone elses life or their ideas, it can truely mess us up and our path isn't our own and we become robots. We were told by Jesus once that we are to create our own story and that story can be as great as His and even better.
Perhaps the most important dogma of the Christian religions generally is the account of Jesus' Resurrection.
But this can be viewed in different ways: Are we talking about:
1. The physical resuscitation of a corpse?
2. The appearance of Jesus in a different glorified form?
3. A spiritual resurrection?
4. An allegory claiming the the memory of Jesus will remain?
Opinions?
Historical.THe phylosophy God needs his people to have faith in is that throughout a person's life he/she experiences different kinds of spiritual deaths and rebirths, in preparation for the ultimate death/rebirth. i.e. God needs for everyone to have faith in Jesus and absorb the deity of Christ. Ancient far east phylosophy derrives the notion of reincarnation from understanding the same phylosophy that Christians live by-- It's logical that you will return in some form from getting to know how to faithfully give yourself to a higher God after death (spiritual or otherwise).
I think it is allegorical . We really don;t know about the early apostles and we don;t know that they died for what they believed, just as we do not know what jesus really taught during a 3 to 7 year ministry.
Then you say "we can assume".
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Originally Posted by LargeKingCat
We can assume though that it was something along the lines of a monotheistic Jesish tradition but that it had elements of Buddhism, and possibly Egyptian Mythology, making it a philosophically superior way of thinking. It was something that was quite literally newer and better than anything that had come before.
Why would the Apostles be willing to die for something they knew didn't happen?
1. Provide verifiable evidence that they existed.
2. Provide verifiable evidence that, if they did exist, they were killed.
3. Provide verifiable evidence that they died as martyrs for that they believed and that they would not have been killed anyway...no matter what they believed.
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Originally Posted by Mr5150
Just basing what I said on the writtings of the NT Gospels, which speaks of many witnesses to the Resurrected Jesus.
So the evidence is a self-serving book written for the sole purpose of convincing people that what the book says is true. Right!
Perhaps the most important dogma of the Christian religions generally is the account of Jesus' Resurrection.
But this can be viewed in different ways: Are we talking about:
1. The physical resuscitation of a corpse?
2. The appearance of Jesus in a different glorified form?
3. A spiritual resurrection?
4. An allegory claiming the the memory of Jesus will remain?
Opinions?
A the point of God being dead I submit it is evolution (like the Archbishop of Canterbury said: spiritual evolution). After resurrection maybe Science can only tell.
I'd have to answer if no. 3 "spiritual" means allegorical, maybe the Geist exists through some History. Thank you.
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