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Old 05-14-2011, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Oregon
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Why would the Apostles be willing to die for something they knew didn't happen?

It is one thing to be willing to die for something you believed to be true. Quite another for a scam.
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Perhaps you overlooked the fact that this story developed after the apostles deaths. Note the dates the scripures were written.

BTW. Does the fact that the Islamic extremist are will to die for their faith prove the truth of their beliefs?

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Old 05-14-2011, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Oregon
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>>None of the gospels mention the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70 A.D.<<

Not even the Gospel of John written betwee 96 to 106 A.D. What is this supposed to prove?
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Old 05-14-2011, 06:52 AM
 
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Just basing what I said on the writtings of the NT Gospels, which speaks of many witnesses to the Resurrected Jesus.

As to the integrity of the NT, do your research. There are arguments on both sides.

This article sums up the majority view of the NT Gospels.

When were the gospels written and by whom? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
You mean the majority view of Christian Apologists.

Josh McDowell is not someone I would use as a reputable academic source after reading two of his.... books.

Christian Apologists in modern times have beem shown to use misrepresentations and false claims for their faith, so what makes anyone think that early Christian Apologists didn't do the same?
How do we know Iraneus didn't write or at least "edit" the "canonical" Gospels himself? How do we know if Marcion's versions of Paul's letters weren't more accurate than later versions? Marcion thought Paul was the greatest Apostle, but that Jesus was not a flesh and blood human.

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Old 05-14-2011, 06:55 AM
 
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Historical.THe phylosophy God needs his people to have faith in is that throughout a person's life he/she experiences different kinds of spiritual deaths and rebirths, in preparation for the ultimate death/rebirth. i.e. God needs for everyone to have faith in Jesus and absorb the deity of Christ. Ancient far east phylosophy derrives the notion of reincarnation from understanding the same phylosophy that Christians live by-- It's logical that you will return in some form from getting to know how to faithfully give yourself to a higher God after death (spiritual or otherwise).
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I once had a faithful dog who died. Is it "logical" to believe that he will "return in some form" too?

Personal immortality is a different issue entirely.

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Old 05-14-2011, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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I once had a fiathful dog who died. I is "logical" to believe that he will "return in some form" too?

Personal immortality is a different issue entirely.

So ancient warrior you believe that the light is evident for the spatial-temporal design of consciousness living or dying in it's true matrix of juxtaposition through All Time of uncertain determinations of the organism's Space.
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Old 05-14-2011, 07:04 AM
 
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So ancient warrior you believe that the light is evident for the spatial-temporal design of consciousness living or dying in it's true matrix of juxtaposition through All Time of uncertain determinations of the organism's Space.
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What "light"?
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Old 05-14-2011, 07:17 AM
 
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>>None of the gospels mention the destruction of the Jewish temple in 70 A.D.<<

Not even the Gospel of John written betwee 96 to 106 A.D. What is this supposed to prove?
This way of trying to date something is like writing a story in 2010 about the 1950's. Just because it doesn't mention 9/11 and the twin towers doesn't mean it had to be written before Sept 11, 2001.
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Old 05-14-2011, 07:21 AM
 
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So beyond the senses is probably where the absolute exists. I think that was what I was trying to represent.... from apperception.
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Old 05-14-2011, 09:05 AM
 
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Why would the Apostles be willing to die for something they knew didn't happen?

It is one thing to be willing to die for something you believed to be true. Quite another for a scam.
So I guess Islam is true then? Hundred of people die for it every week.

History shows us that people have been willing to die for pretty much anything. Especially cult leaders. Look at Waco Texas, Jonestown, and those UFO suicide cults.
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Old 05-14-2011, 09:10 AM
 
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Why did the English fight the French in the Hundred Years War?
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