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Old 05-16-2011, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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You are not wrong. Religions have been delinquent in their duty to revise the spiritual understanding as our knowledge and understanding of ourselves and the world progressed. They stagnated at the 3rd century level of ancient ignorance and have praised that ignorance as a sign of faith ever since.
I'll go with that...

I imagine there are 4 general stages of spiritual awareness.

1. True barbarism: living day to day as an animal for selfish gain.

2. Religious: following/buying into an institution.

3. Agnosticsim/atheism: the realization that institutions are wrong and subsequently rejecting them.

4. True enlightenment: a theoretical higher perspective with a true understanding of the universe, it's interconnectedness and our place in it.

I can't get out of #3 myself, but I'm still young, and I'm working on it...

Still, I see no good reason for celebrating a progression from #1 to #2, especially when many African tribes were between #2 and #4 before colonization...
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Old 05-16-2011, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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I'll go with that...

I imagine there are 4 general stages of spiritual awareness.

1. True barbarism: living day to day as an animal for selfish gain.

2. Religious: following/buying into an institution.

3. Agnosticsim/atheism: the realization that institutions are wrong and subsequently rejecting them.

4. True enlightenment: a theoretical higher perspective with a true understanding of the universe, it's interconnectedness and our place in it.

I can't get out of #3 myself, but I'm still young, and I'm working on it...

Still, I see no good reason for celebrating a progression from #1 to #2, especially when many African tribes were between #2 and #4 before colonization...
I see 3 separate possibilities for stages of spiritual Awareness, one as you put it.

1. True barbarism: living day to day as an animal for selfish gain.

2. Religious: following/buying into an institution.

3. Agnosticsim/atheism: the realization that institutions are wrong and subsequently rejecting them.

4. True enlightenment: a theoretical higher perspective with a true understanding of the universe, it's interconnectedness and our place in it.

The second:

1. True barbarism: living day to day as an animal for selfish gain.

2. Awareness of possibilities beyond the physical world

3.Concept of superior beings

4. Worship of many gods

The third:


1. True barbarism: living day to day as an animal for selfish gain.

2. Awareness of a supreme being

3. Searching for the supreme being

4. Finding that whom they have reason to believe is the Supreme being and submitting to him
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Old 05-16-2011, 02:43 PM
 
Location: 30-40°N 90-100°W
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There is a strong correlation with eductation and religious belief. The more you know, the more you know religion is B.S.
There might be a correlation, but there are exceptions there too. Singapore is a pretty educated society and tends to score as fairly religious. Poland's "Education Index" is listed as better than Britain's according to the UN, but they tend to come out more religious than the British.

Religiosity Highest in World's Poorest Nations
International Human Development Indicators - UNDP
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Old 05-16-2011, 03:41 PM
 
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I'll go with that...

I imagine there are 4 general stages of spiritual awareness.

1. True barbarism: living day to day as an animal for selfish gain.

2. Religious: following/buying into an institution.

3. Agnosticsim/atheism: the realization that institutions are wrong and subsequently rejecting them.

4. True enlightenment: a theoretical higher perspective with a true understanding of the universe, it's interconnectedness and our place in it.

I can't get out of #3 myself, but I'm still young, and I'm working on it...

Still, I see no good reason for celebrating a progression from #1 to #2, especially when many African tribes were between #2 and #4 before colonization...
My take from the atheist forum:

(1. = Spiritual Infancy)


1. True barbarism: living day to day virtually as an animal for selfish gain.

(2. = Spiritual childhood)


2. Religious: following/buying into an institution.

(3.= Spiritual Adolescence)

3. Agnosticsim/atheism: the realization that institutions are wrong and subsequently rejecting them in a honest search for truth.

(4. = Spiritual maturity)

4. True enlightenment: a theoretical higher perspective with a true understanding of the universe, it's interconnectedness and our place in it.
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Old 05-16-2011, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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There might be a correlation, but there are exceptions there too. Singapore is a pretty educated society and tends to score as fairly religious. Poland's "Education Index" is listed as better than Britain's according to the UN, but they tend to come out more religious than the British.

Religiosity Highest in World's Poorest Nations
International Human Development Indicators - UNDP
Those pesky execptions to the rule!

Maybe if I ignore them, they will just go away...
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Old 05-16-2011, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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There might be a correlation, but there are exceptions there too. Singapore is a pretty educated society and tends to score as fairly religious. Poland's "Education Index" is listed as better than Britain's according to the UN, but they tend to come out more religious than the British.

Religiosity Highest in World's Poorest Nations
International Human Development Indicators - UNDP
I would also like to point out another exception to the correlation, but in the opposite direction

Using the previous posts it follows that the world's poorest regions shoul be the most Religious. The Pine Ridge Oglala Reservation in South Dakota is the second poorest region in the Western hemisphere. While it does have some very religious people most have given up on religion and are now facing epidemic alcoholism and suicides.
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:15 PM
 
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They're more backwards. That's the non-PC explanation.
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